Is this a way that Treknology could defeat a Jedi?

[Nathan F]

This idea was proposed by another guy I know, but, I decided to post it here to see your thoughts.

Could a Jedi be defeated by a Transporter? Transporters have the ability to filter out any microbial impurities and the like. What if the bio-filter was simply set to weed out the midi chlorians? Would this not render the Jedi's powers ineffective?

[Ender]

Show Midichlorians are the cause of force sensitivity, and not a side effect of being force sensitive.

[Darth Wong]

Show that a Jedi can't defeat a transporter, since we saw that Roga Danar was able to do so, and he is hardly as unusual as a Jedi.

[Crown]

Show that a Jedi can't defeat a transporter, since we saw that Roga Danar was able to do so, and he is hardly as unusual as a Jedi.

Who? What? Where? Huh? Is this a trek reference? Sorry I just don't know who this person is, and am looking for a brief explanation.

[neoolong]

He was a genetically enhanced uber-warrior guy from "The Hunted" in TNG.

Database.

[Sea Skimmer]

Trek biofilters only work against already known substances, anyway Midichlorians may indicate a force potential but nothing says they actually are responsible for it.

[Lord Poe]

Trek biofilters only work against already known substances, anyway Midichlorians may indicate a force potential but nothing says they actually are responsible for it.

And Trek biofilters seem to do fuck-all most of the time anyway.

[Slartibartfast]

Show that a Jedi can't defeat a transporter, since we saw that Roga Danar was able to do so, and he is hardly as unusual as a Jedi.

Who? What? Where? Huh? Is this a trek reference? Sorry I just don't know who this person is, and am looking for a brief explanation.

He was a chemically enhanced soldier or something. He escaped a transporter beam by banging against it. Yes, I'm not making this up.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

This idea was proposed by another guy I know, but, I decided to post it here to see your thoughts.

Could a Jedi be defeated by a Transporter? Transporters have the ability to filter out any microbial impurities and the like. What if the bio-filter was simply set to weed out the midi chlorians? Would this not render the Jedi's powers ineffective?

Someone I know of once speculated that "midichlorian" is an etymological variation on the word "mitochondria". If that's true, then all living things in SW have them. But not all living things in SW are able to use the Force. This suggests that 2 things would happen if you "filter out" midichlorians through a transporter.

1. Force sensitivity will not be affected.
2. The subject will not survive for very long. But the subject will probably be really angry.

Maybe. I know midichlorians/mitochondria like I know my way around a hair salon, so don't expect me to be right on this one.

[Kuja]

Who? What? Where? Huh? Is this a trek reference? Sorry I just don't know who this person is, and am looking for a brief explanation.

He was a chemically enhanced soldier or something. He escaped a transporter beam by banging against it. Yes, I'm not making this up.

WHAAAAAAAAAT?!

[Darth Negation]

His arms. He was banging with his arms on the transporter beam.



Nah, still sound bad.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

His arms. He was banging with his arms on the transporter beam.



Nah, still sound bad.

That takes talent. Maybe we should have a "Roga Danar vs. a Jedi" thread.

[Joe Momma]

Could a Jedi be defeated by a Transporter? Transporters have the ability to filter out any microbial impurities and the like. What if the bio-filter was simply set to weed out the midi chlorians? Would this not render the Jedi's powers ineffective?

Setting aside the other problems that have already been mentioned, what's the point of this elaborate scheme? If I caught a Jedi in a transporter beam (by no means a sure assumption, as others have noted), couldn't I just wide-beam disperse his ass, which has been done in at least one episode IIRC. Or just beam him into vacuum or whatever? Or is the specific intent to disable the Jedi without killing him?

-- Joe Momma

[Darth Servo]

Someone I know of once speculated that "midichlorian" is an etymological variation on the word "mitochondria".

While there are some similarities (as DW has pointed out on his TPM revelations page), there is one critical difference: Mitochondria are passed from MOTHER to offspring. The sperm cells only contribute DNA. A few mitochondria in the sperm might make it into the egg, but the vast majority come from mom. Since Luke and Leia got their force ability from dad, they can't be mitochondria, and AOTC proved that the force is NOT genetic.

[SirNitram]

Someone I know of once speculated that "midichlorian" is an etymological variation on the word "mitochondria".

While there are some similarities (as DW has pointed out on his TPM revelations page), there is one critical difference: Mitochondria are passed from MOTHER to offspring. The sperm cells only contribute DNA. A few mitochondria in the sperm might make it into the egg, but the vast majority come from mom. Since Luke and Leia got their force ability from dad, they can't be mitochondria, and AOTC proved that the force is NOT genetic.

Whaaaa? Where did AOTC prove that access to the Force isn't genetic?

Just because the Jedi aren't allowed sex/marriage doesn't mean it's not genetic. Hell, it might clinch it. Allow me an analogy from another series. In Discworld, magic is genetic, but Wizards are denied the right to get nookie or get married. Why? Well, it turns out that if a wizard does, and he has eight sons, the eighth will be a nasty motherfucker called a Sourcerer. Therefore, to prevent, you know, reality being torn apart by these guys, wizards were denied sex. Given that those Force-wielders born of Force-wielders we've seen are pretty powerful, it may be similar.

[Typhonis 1]

*L* have a three d hologram pop up of Janeway naked that will stop a jedi cold

[Eleas]

*L* have a three d hologram pop up of Janeway naked that will stop a jedi cold

As a two dimensional representation of her is enough to make strong men vomit blood, I shudder to think what adding another dimension would do.

[Stravo]

A transporter might be able to defeat a jedi in the sense that instead of firing a bolt of bullet at them whoch they can physically block you can beam the bullet into them. How would they dodge that?

Hmmm.....I wonder where this tactic came from?

[Lord Pounder]

I don't see bio filters doing much against a Jedi. I've never seen a Trek transporter transport a moving target, so tatic one is to just keep moving. Second whos to say the bio filter will detect the Medichlorian in the 1st place. Its most likely to see them as part of a normal human and just leave them. The only way would be for the biofilter to be manually configured to remove them and that would require capture of a live Jedi and disecting them and do you see the UFP authorising that?

[neoolong]

What about the microtransporter attached to the sniper rifle in DS9?

[Kerneth]

What about the microtransporter attached to the sniper rifle in DS9?

That'd work as long as the Jedi's handy-dandy danger sense didn't tip them off in time for them to jump out of the way as the guy pulls the trigger.

[neoolong]

What about the microtransporter attached to the sniper rifle in DS9?

That'd work as long as the Jedi's handy-dandy danger sense didn't tip them off in time for them to jump out of the way as the guy pulls the trigger.

Actually, I meant it to show that transporters do work on moving targets.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Why are we getting so complicated here? One thing I learned from my VI days is not to overcomplicate tactics.

There are two very simple antipersonnel actions one can use a transporter for, depending on your objective:

1. Need to detain or disable the Jedi? Initiate transport and keep the motherfucker dematerialized in the pattern buffer.

2. Want to kill him? Beam him into space. Or into solid rock. Or into his grandma's carpet. You get the idea. No need to complicate things.

[Darth Wong]

A transporter might be able to defeat a jedi in the sense that instead of firing a bolt of bullet at them whoch they can physically block you can beam the bullet into them. How would they dodge that?

Hmmm.....I wonder where this tactic came from?

They've never had much luck beaming things onto starship-sized targets whose movement is not predictable. I don't see why it would be easier with a man-sized target, particularly if they have trouble scanning him (remember that they always have trouble scanning anything with an unusual "energy signature").

[Darth Wong]

Why are we getting so complicated here? One thing I learned from my VI days is not to overcomplicate tactics.

There are two very simple antipersonnel actions one can use a transporter for, depending on your objective:

1. Need to detain or disable the Jedi? Initiate transport and keep the motherfucker dematerialized in the pattern buffer.

2. Want to kill him? Beam him into space. Or into solid rock. Or into his grandma's carpet. You get the idea. No need to complicate things.

Why are we even talking about using a transporter at all? First, we're assuming it must work, even though Roga Danar showed that transporters are not that hard to defeat. Second, we are disregarding the fact that a sufficiently large volume of firepower would defeat even a Jedi, so why play games?