assume cloning works

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-04-30 09:22pm

could you clone yourself (assume its without an inconvenient brain), put your brain in it, and live another lifetime?

if you could, would you?

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-04-30 09:29pm

You've been on a question-asking spree this week, haven't you?

Depending on how old your brain is, you might not get used to the body. "You can't teach an old dog new tricks." Though if this body is an exact template of your old one albeit younger, the transition should be much smoother. Imagine trying to balance yourself in a tinyier(sp?)/larger body than you're used to.

I might do it. Though I don't fear death in and of itself, it's still my natural instinct to AVOID it at all costs when it comes for me. I'm not too terribly couragous, so I may give it a shot. Be fun to see what the future holds long after my "death."

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-04-30 09:39pm

gives me something to do.

Im not afraid of death, or, I dont think I am. my main complaint is that Id miss out on what happens afterwards. so Id do it for a few centuries, if possble.

Morat · Post by **Morat** » 2003-04-30 10:00pm

It depends. If life keeps going as it has been for me, then I don't think I would. However, I think I will be happier once I get into my career, so I might change my mind once I get old enough for it to be an issue.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-04-30 10:08pm

I would. For a while. Until I get bored of life. I want to see the future.

I want to see the flying cars. We were promised flying cars.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-04-30 10:22pm

Of course. As long as my body is post puberty, like mid-20's. I accept the notion of my death, but it'd be cool see what technology people will have in the next 200 years.

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2003-04-30 10:33pm

Your brain will eventually self-destruct unless you do something about it. That is probably the main problem with this working. The operation to switch in the brain would also be pretty difficult, but it should be possible. In which case I would certainly do it, because dying is sad.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-05-01 02:28am

Enforcer Talen wrote:could you clone yourself (assume its without an inconvenient brain), put your brain in it, and live another lifetime?

if you could, would you?

Given the issues Seggybop presented, wouldn't it be a better idea to transfer one's consciousness and memories into the new body's "blank" brain instead??? I might sound like either a Raëlian or somebody who's read too much sci-fi, but the possibility might be there some 50 years from now...

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2003-05-01 02:54am

Simon H.Johansen wrote: Given the issues Seggybop presented, wouldn't it be a better idea to transfer one's consciousness and memories into the new body's "blank" brain instead??? I might sound like either a Raëlian or somebody who's read too much sci-fi, but the possibility might be there some 50 years from now...

How would that be possible? If we assume for a moment that there is no soul, then my "self" is my consciousness, my awareness, which is a result of the constant activity of my brain. You might be able to copy my memories into another brain, even copy my brain's state at the moment, but that will only create a new consciousness that is identical to but separate from mine. How would you actually transfer my consciousness in such a way that I would continue to exist? Maybe if you could hook the two brains together and gradually kill the old brain a bit at a time and have the new brain take over the function simultaneously, so that the chemical and electrical functions which result in my consciousness are never actually interrupted.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-05-01 04:34am

I'm going to ignore the whole brai transplant thing since it's far too technical for modern science and simply highlight that even a genetic clone of you may look and act totally different to what you are now. Just Google for CC the cloned tortoiseshell tabby cat.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-05-01 05:15am

I like tabby cats.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-05-01 05:33am

I'd love to do that, I could live forever.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-01 05:54am

I might depend on how it all works. If my brain keeps ageing then getting a new body isn't going to be real fun.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-05-01 06:08am

UltraViolence83 wrote:I like tabby cats.

So does my tabby.

The brain ageing thing may be a problem, but hopefully not as much as with other parts of the body since the brain doesn't replicate itself and so any cellular damage brought on by multiple generations of cell reproduction will not occur.

However, there is the problem of storage space as with any memory medium, how long into your new life until you literally have a full up brain and then what? Use an external HDD?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-05-01 06:35am

It would be easier to copy the nueural patterns and chemical systems of the brain (under a petabyte AFAIK) and upload yourself into an advanced android than it would to transfer a brain.

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Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-05-01 06:45am

Thing is, is that copy you or not?

Damn, I hate that question, if it was exactly the same as you would it be you? Probably not.

*Goes a bit more insane*

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-05-01 06:46am

It is unless you believe in a soul. Particularly if you have yourself scanned the moment your heart stops or (insert cause of death here)

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-05-01 06:50am

NecronLord wrote:It is unless you believe in a soul. Particularly if you have yourself scanned the moment your heart stops or (insert cause of death here)

But that exact copy, to any observer, may be you, but would it be you? Would you, after your original was destroyed, become that copy or would what was your essence in the original be destroyed in favour of a new replica.

It seems odd and I can't really explain it well without getting into hokey metaphysical stuff or referring to cloning incidents in ST and RD, but I can't help but wonder.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-05-01 07:37am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:hokey metaphysical stuff or referring to cloning incidents in ST and RD, but I can't help but wonder.

The proscecution rests

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-05-01 08:08am

NecronLord wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:hokey metaphysical stuff or referring to cloning incidents in ST and RD, but I can't help but wonder.
The proscecution rests

Bah, it's not exactly my field of expertise.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-05-01 10:01am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Bah, it's not exactly my field of expertise.

I don't think anyone here specilises in Hokey Metaphysical nonsense?

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2003-05-01 03:58pm

NecronLord wrote:It is unless you believe in a soul. Particularly if you have yourself scanned the moment your heart stops or (insert cause of death here)

If there is no soul, my awareness is the result of the chemical and electrical reactions in my brain. A different set of chemical and electrical reactions might be identical to mine, but it would not be me. Without the ability to transfer the functions in such a way that my awareness is shifted from one set to another without a major disruption in the processes creating consciousness, I will be dead and the clone or android will be just a perfect copy.

A better method would be to gradually, over years, replace the brain a tiny bit at a time with artificial components, or graft on new neurons as old ones begin to wear out. Maybe you could take the clone's baby brain and implant bits of it into parts of your own brain that are beginning to deteriorate.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-05-01 04:58pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Thing is, is that copy you or not?

Damn, I hate that question, if it was exactly the same as you would it be you? Probably not.

*Goes a bit more insane*

Hence why the method I devised using a form of nano-technology is preffereable, you design non-organic equivalents to all parts of the brain, also they ought to be mainly identical in size and shape.

Then using nano-technology you begin the process of studying each neuron, ganglia and such one at a time and making a inorganic duplicate of it, and replacing the old organic component, then another one and another one, this process could go on for years but in the end, your brain is inorganic and immortal.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-05-01 07:46pm

NecronLord wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Bah, it's not exactly my field of expertise.
I don't think anyone here specilises in Hokey Metaphysical nonsense?

I'm probably the closest thing, and my knowledge of it is also very lacking.

"There are no masters in the Universe, only students."

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-05-01 08:29pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:could you clone yourself (assume its without an inconvenient brain), put your brain in it, and live another lifetime?

if you could, would you?

I think that, with all the modern technology that improves our maximum lifespan up to 90 or even 100 year old in some cases, we've reached pretty much the maximum practical life, since at those high ages the brain pretty much breaks down and you get all the ugly elderly brain diseases.

In other words, an old brain, as in really really old, would not last very long in a new body (even if it matches perfectly) since it's already decomposing. Also neurons don't regenerate.

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