Darth Vader vs Darth Tyrannus

Mephistopheles · Post by **Mephistopheles** » 2003-06-07 04:37am

I apologize if this has been done before, I used the search engine and could not find anything.

BTW, film Vader and Tyrannus.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-06-07 07:33am

Tyrannus is Dooku right? Well He takes it straight offf. He displayed more speed,swordsmanship and Force powers in AotC than Vader did in the entire OT

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-06-07 07:48am

Not to mention that it appears it was *he* who sliced off pre-Vaders hand...

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-07 07:49am

Crazedwraith wrote:Tyrannus is Dooku right? Well He takes it straight offf. He displayed more speed,swordsmanship and Force powers in AotC than Vader did in the entire OT

Except that Darth Vader is more powerful in the force than Yoda- Anakin will be the one to kill Tyrannus is Episode III, obviously (in order to take his place at the Emperor's side). There also has to be some reason as to why Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't come back to kill Vader and Sidious if he was so incompetent after he's wounded in Episode III (which, IMO, will be more a cruel twist of fate than any skill on behalf of Obi-Wan, for obvious reasons)- that reason being that only Luke could do it. It's not just a question of on-screen sword showmanship- it's also a matter of who's stronger in the force-i.e. which opponent can limit his opponents moves and see things before they happen.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-06-07 08:21am

Has anyone considered the more advanced martial arts shown in the prequels to be merely a different movie-making style from Lucas?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-07 08:24am

Frank Hipper wrote:Has anyone considered the more advanced martial arts shown in the prequels to be merely a different movie-making style from Lucas?

Well yeah, not to mention that there are some who would argue that the fighting in the OT is far more sensible than the fighting in the PT. Just because the movements aren't as flashy doesn't mean they're inferior, though I defer to people who actually know something about swordsmanship.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-06-07 11:10am

In the OT it's more of a fencing style. Kungfu movies wheren't as popular back then as they are now. I'm sure we'll get the answer to this in Ep III but i can see a twist where maybe Palpy kills Dooku. Maybe Dooku tries to grab the power for himself and Palpy smacks his ass good.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-06-07 11:40am

Vympel wrote:Anakin will be the one to kill Tyrannus is Episode III, obviously (in order to take his place at the Emperor's side).

You're sure this is more than speculation of yours?

Darth Pounder wrote: Kungfu movies wheren't as popular back then as they are now.

Really? I thought the market was flooded by really cheap Hong Kong Phooey Ass-Kicking Marathons back then, as much as it is today.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-07 11:45am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
You're sure this is more than speculation of yours?

It's pretty solid speculation. Consider that that was Palpatine's plan for Luke- I don't see why it should be any different here. Except this time, it'll work.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-06-07 11:47am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Really? I thought the market was flooded by really cheap Hong Kong Phooey Ass-Kicking Marathons back then, as much as it is today.

But not nearly as loud.

Seriously back then...while there were plenty they were more subdued in terms of sheer inanity...you didn't see Bruce Lee leap off a building fend of twenty guys and back flip to another building.

As to the Anakin killing Dooku...it's taking that to ascend Luke had to kill Vader or the Emperor, so it's logical procession that Anakin will more likely kill Dooku.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-06-07 12:11pm

Ghost Rider wrote: As to the Anakin killing Dooku...it's taking that to ascend Luke had to kill Vader or the Emperor, so it's logical procession that Anakin will more likely kill Dooku.

The next best very distant bet would be Anakin kiling the guy
who killed Dooku. Leaving a possibility for Sam Jackson to kick some ass and
not go out like a punk.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-07 01:08pm

Err in the novellisation Dooku is straining himself to the upmost to fight anakin - while on the light side Anakin was able to use force walls to stop Dooku.

For the first time, count Dooku lost his little confident smile. He had to work furiously to keel Anakin's blade at bay, dodging more than parrying. He tried to step to the side, but stopped as if he had hit a wall, and his eyes widened a bit when he realised that this young Padawan, in the midst of that assault had used the force to block his exit.
"You have unusual powers young Padawan," he suncurely congratulated. His little grin returned, and gradually Dooku put himself back on even footing with Anakin, trading thrust for slash [...] But Anakin held his ground stubbornly his green blade flashing left, right and down so forcefulls that none of Dooku's attacks got though.

Now this is Padawan Anakin acting under the shroud of the dark side. We know that Anakin becomes a fully trained Jedi Knight and gains expirience in the clone wars, then becomes Vader, then participates in the Jedi purge.

Vader is far more powerful than Dooku, AotC Anakin is almost as good as Dooku, Vader slaughters him.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-06-07 03:27pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
Really? I thought the market was flooded by really cheap Hong Kong Phooey Ass-Kicking Marathons back then, as much as it is today.

Back then we had Bruce Lee and early Jackie Chan. Now we have Croutching Tiger Hidden Dragon etc. The public expect more. Also back then Kung Fu movies weren't as main stream as they are now.

Mephistopheles · Post by **Mephistopheles** » 2003-06-07 04:01pm

Lets try to even this up then. How about film Vader vs film Tyrannus?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-07 04:11pm

Uhh. See above. I wasn't using any apocrytha there. That's a deleted shot from the film. In any case Tyrannus doesn't get any extra abilities. He still looses.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-06-08 03:43pm

Frank Hipper wrote:Has anyone considered the more advanced martial arts shown in the prequels to be merely a different movie-making style from Lucas?

right, but according to the whole "suspension of disbelief" motto that this board runs off of, that excuse is irrelevant.

Hethrir · Post by **Hethrir** » 2003-06-08 11:15pm

Vympel wrote:Except that Darth Vader is more powerful in the force than Yoda- Anakin will be the one to kill Tyrannus is Episode III, obviously (in order to take his place at the Emperor's side). There also has to be some reason as to why Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't come back to kill Vader and Sidious if he was so incompetent after he's wounded in Episode III (which, IMO, will be more a cruel twist of fate than any skill on behalf of Obi-Wan, for obvious reasons)- that reason being that only Luke could do it. It's not just a question of on-screen sword showmanship- it's also a matter of who's stronger in the force-i.e. which opponent can limit his opponents moves and see things before they happen.

Yoda is the most powerful Jedi ever. He easily defeated Dooku, who had to endanger Anakin and Obi-Wan to escape. I read once that Obi-Wan and Yoda (ANH+) couldn't kill Vader or Palpatine because they were too consumed by the good side to kill someone.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-06-08 11:19pm

Hethrir wrote:Yoda is the most powerful Jedi ever. He easily defeated Dooku, who had to endanger Anakin and Obi-Wan to escape. I read once that Obi-Wan and Yoda (ANH+) couldn't kill Vader or Palpatine because they were too consumed by the good side to kill someone.

Ah yes, the Black Fleet Crisis. It should be pointed out, however, that this assertion is merely speculation by Luke.

As for Obi-Wan, he forfeited his life to buy time for the others to escape, and I guess so that he could keep a better eye on Luke.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-09 01:05am

Hethrir wrote: Yoda is the most powerful Jedi ever. He easily defeated Dooku, who had to endanger Anakin and Obi-Wan to escape. I read once that Obi-Wan and Yoda (ANH+) couldn't kill Vader or Palpatine because they were too consumed by the good side to kill someone.

He fought Dooku to a standstill, he didn't defeat him- that said, Anakin was just a padawan at the time.