Patrick Ogarrd wrote:The Defiant is supposed to have two torpedo launchers forward, the tubes located near the pulse phaser cannon, and a forward probe launcher near the navigational deflector. Apparently the Defiant's superduper torpedo tubes are not able to launch probes. Where the aft launcher(s) is or are supposed to be...
According to every MSD I have ever seen, including the close up of the one on the show, there is a torpedo launcher like structure on the ventral aft end of the ship. I think I even recall a piece of dialouge about 'prepare to launch rear torpedo's' but I could be wrong in that.
Tsyroc wrote:Considering what the Defiant class orginated from you'd think that just by upscaling the class they could come up with an extremely powerful warship. Certainly at some point the increase in size would provide diminishing returns but conisdering what they shoe-horned into that ship what could they really do with more space?
Or at least use the exsisting technology that was developed for the Defient and use it to build a cruiser sized vessel with the Pulse Phasers and armor system.
Death from the Sea wrote:Um... well in DS9 it was stated that the PPC was more powerful than the galaxy class type 10 phasers, and that the defiant class warp core was more powerful than the galaxy class ships as well. Then there is the fact that in most every engagement the Defiant herself was ship killer in battle.
The pulse phasers may very well be more powerful than a type 10 phaser strip. The point is, the Defient has four while a Galaxy has what? Ten strips. The Defients pulse phasers are a fixed emplacement, the Galaxy can adjust their fire. Is the total out put of the four pulse phasers larger than the total output of ten type ten phaser strips?
If the warp core does crank out more power than the Galaxy, then the Defient still has a problem with the lack of weapons to put that power through. It would give them an edge on shields though, but with 6 available weapons to channel the power through, it still comes in under gunned. I don't think that the pulse phasers are that much more powerful to compensate for the lack of actual emplacements.
Those "standard" phaser strips are type 10 phasers, the same as on a galaxy class ship, are nothing to sneeze at. And once again the PPC were said to be more powerful than galaxy class phasers, nor does a galaxy class ship carry quantom torpedoes.
Thats pretty much my argument. With four PP, the PP would have to be more than twice as powerful as the type ten phaser for the Defient to match the fire power of the Galaxy let alone out gun it. The QT's are about twice as destructive as a PT and I have seen the Galaxy able to fire a far larger quanity than the Defient has ever shown. At max, and correct me if I am wrong, I have seen the Defient shoot volleys of four torpedo's, while I have seen the Galaxy burst fire up too six. That would give the Defient a slight edge in torpedo power but all of that would go out the window if I knew the reload rate of each ship.
It has tough shielding and then it has the ablative armor, which a galaxy class ship does not have the latter.
True, but the Galaxy has space to burn. Once the Defients shields are down, the small size of the ship works against it. Just about any hit has to hit something important, since all the gear of a starship is crammed into such a small hull. The Galaxy, while fragile, has a huge internal volume. As long as you don't stare at the warp core, the hull should be able to take enormous damage with some of its systems being able to stay on line.
Like I said before DS9 stated that the defiant class warp core was more powerful than the galaxy class warp core, so power generation is not an issue. There is also the fact that the defiant class is MUCH more manuverable, something a captain like Sisko constantly used to dodge enemy fire. I believe that the defiant class could take a normal galaxy class starship and it would probably be either even with or beaten by a galaxy war mod
I am of the opposite opinion. I hate ubber ships, the Defient was created to be a fast torpedo boat and in that function it is great. (In fact, I do love the design) yet it is still suicide to attack a battleship or cruiser with a torpedo boat. (disclaimer, cloak used to make it a sci-fi version of a submarine changes that slightly but the limitations of a cloak doesn't make a direct comparison with a sub).
When they say that it is a powerful ship, I take that in context to it's size and not absolutely literal. Defient v Oberth, Oberth is toast. Defient v Nova, Nova scrapped. Defient v Dominion battle crab thingys, dead bug. Defient v large war ship? Well there was an episode about that now wasn't there.
Just imagine if that sucker was around instead of the Interpids. Voyager would've been much more entertaining. 