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What would happen if the legendary captain Kirk was transported to the Delta quadrant by the caretaker array ? Would he survive and eventualy make it back to earth ? Kirk's Enterprise is the one from the original series. For the sake of the debate Kirk does not blow up the array, it self destructs like it was supposed to.

If that Caffinated bitch janeway could do it, a REAL officer could do it even better.

Darksider wrote:If that Caffinated bitch janeway could do it, a REAL officer could do it even better.

In my opinion not only Kirk would get home he would leave a path of defeated enemies behind. Even though Kirk's ship is a century older than Voyger it is still more powerful than most Delta quadrant starships. Whatever the Enterprise lacks in firepower Kirk can make up for it with his leadership skills.

Yeah, Kirk would have kicked some serious ass. When he encountered Q, he probably would have worked some sort of deal to be transported home. Kirk would have the ship back in no time.

Yes. Kirk's Enterprise had a magical FTL drive that could be sped up to rediculous extremes for plot-related reasons.

Really? More powerfull than most?

Lets see:

The E-Nil would beat a ship from the:

Kazon
Vaudwaar

And would match the Vidiians and the Talaxians.

The E-Nil would be obliterated by the:

Borg
Everyone else.

Really, for Voyager, even the primatives could hurt Voyager in groups. Capt. Kirk, for all his brilliance would be outgunned even more so.

In any of the battle that brought Voyagers shields down to 60%, the same shot would totally destroy the E-Nils sheilds. Sorry, but the E-Nil just isnt advanced enough to take on most of the DQ speices.

The Borg would probably leave them alone because the E-Nil isnt advanced enough.

Howedar wrote:Yes. Kirk's Enterprise had a magical FTL drive that could be sped up to rediculous extremes for plot-related reasons.

If they had whatever drive system that took them to the galactic core in star trek V travelling back home may not be a problem.

Also the transwarp drive was under development during the Kirk era, with the help of Borg technology Scotty might be able to rig a transwarp drive on the Enterprise and thereby taking them home. I do have faith in Scotties capabilities, he is far better than Voyger's B'leanna Torres who almost destroyed the ship when upgrading Voyger transwarp drive.

Kirk most likely would not get pulled into an unneeded 70 year journey like Voyager.

He would have set timed bombs on the array and gotten back home, while at the same time denying the array to the Kazon.

Kirk, unlike Janeway, knows his first duty is to his ship and crew, not some stupid, desert-dwelling race that has a life expectancy shorter than that of a goldfish.

Really? More powerfull than most?

Lets see:

The E-Nil would beat a ship from the:

Kazon
Vaudwaar

And would match the Vidiians and the Talaxians.

The E-Nil would be obliterated by the:

Borg
Everyone else.

Really, for Voyager, even the primatives could hurt Voyager in groups. Capt. Kirk, for all his brilliance would be outgunned even more so.

In any of the battle that brought Voyagers shields down to 60%, the same shot would totally destroy the E-Nils sheilds. Sorry, but the E-Nil just isnt advanced enough to take on most of the DQ speices.

The Borg would probably leave them alone because the E-Nil isnt advanced enough.

Have you ever watched TOS ? Kirk had been outgunned many times and yet he won. Remember the fight to death with Gorn captain ? How could one have expected Kirk to survive against a lizard that was several times stronger than a man in an unarmed fight. And yet he won. That is just one example of what Kirk could do.

Kirk's situation is not any worse than Janeway. Considering the fact the Enterprise is on the other side of the galaxy with no help from home in sight a slight difference in power does not matter match. Leadership is more important here. True Kirk can not take on the entire quadrant and expect to win but the same goes for Janeway. But Kirk being a far better captain than Janeway he fares much better.

Also the list of ships that the Enterprise can beat is too short. Most delta quadrant races are very weak and would be easy kills for the Enterprise.

The borg might be more challenging. But if an idiot like Janeway can deal with them there is no reasons why the legendary captain Kirk could not do so.

Wild Karrde wrote:Kirk most likely would not get pulled into an unneeded 70 year journey like Voyager.

He would have set timed bombs on the array and gotten back home, while at the same time denying the array to the Kazon.

Kirk, unlike Janeway, knows his first duty is to his ship and crew, not some stupid, desert-dwelling race that has a life expectancy shorter than that of a goldfish.

Uh I think you forget that in this scenario the array selfdestructs like it was supposed to. I know Kirk would do what you said he would do, but for the sake of the debate lets just assume that does not happen.

evilcat4000 wrote:

Really? More powerfull than most?

Lets see:

The E-Nil would beat a ship from the:

Kazon
Vaudwaar

And would match the Vidiians and the Talaxians.

The E-Nil would be obliterated by the:

Borg
Everyone else.

Really, for Voyager, even the primatives could hurt Voyager in groups. Capt. Kirk, for all his brilliance would be outgunned even more so.

In any of the battle that brought Voyagers shields down to 60%, the same shot would totally destroy the E-Nils sheilds. Sorry, but the E-Nil just isnt advanced enough to take on most of the DQ speices.

The Borg would probably leave them alone because the E-Nil isnt advanced enough.

Have you ever watched TOS ? Kirk had been outgunned many times and yet he won. Remember the fight to death with Gorn captain ? How could one have expected Kirk to survive against a lizard that was several times stronger than a man in an unarmed fight. And yet he won. That is just one example of what Kirk could do.

Kirk's situation is not any worse than Janeway. Considering the fact the Enterprise is on the other side of the galaxy with no help from home in sight a slight difference in power does not matter match. Leadership is more important here. True Kirk can not take on the entire quadrant and expect to win but the same goes for Janeway. But Kirk being a far better captain than Janeway he fares much better.

Also the list of ships that the Enterprise can beat is too short. Most delta quadrant races are very weak and would be easy kills for the Enterprise.

The borg might be more challenging. But if an idiot like Janeway can deal with them there is no reasons why the legendary captain Kirk could not do so.

Then can you provide a list of easy kills for Kirk? I know I missed a few, but I listed the main ones.

I'm not questioning his leadership, its just his ship. He could probably not have gotten into as many as fights as Janeway (Imagine that) but he eventually would have gotten shot at. His ship is about 100 years behind Voyager's. 1 shot from the more competent species that damaged Voyager would destroy the Enterprise.

Of course I watch TOS, I love it. Even if he did everything he could to stop fights, outwit the enemy, hes gonna get shot at by someone who isnt weak like the Kazon etc.

evilcat4000 wrote: Uh I think you forget that in this scenario the array selfdestructs like it was supposed to. I know Kirk would do what you said he would do, but for the sake of the debate lets just assume that does not happen.

Aww, but where's the fun in that when we have to say Kirk's as retarded as Janeway.

Does Kirk get yanked into the "modern" Delta Quadrant, or the Delta Quadrant of his time? If it's the latter, everyone else is 100 years behind where they were when Janeway came through, too.

theese are the voyages of the starship Enterprise
Its five year mission

Face the Enterprise itself does not enuff supplies to get home on its own.

Crazedwraith wrote:theese are the voyages of the starship Enterprise
Its five year mission

Face the Enterprise itself does not enuff supplies to get home on its own.

Neither did Voyager, but she resupplied along they way and so would Kirk and Co.
Are we talking TOS Ent-nil or TMP Ent-nil(stronger) or the Ent-A(even stronger I think)...?
Either way Kirk gets them home, he would easily be able to out think and bluff his way through most problems. Seriously outgunned? No problem, just use Kirks famous 'Corbomite Maneuver' which he used at least once in TOS to bluff his way out of sticky situations.

Oh please, Voyager supposedly had limited supplies but they managed to:

Conctruct at least 60 more photon torpdoes.
Constructed the Delta Flyer and numerous extra shuttles. ]
Somehow enlarged their shuttlebay.
Replicators were a non problem in the later season.
As were holodecks.

For a limited supplied ship, they did damn well to get Janeway her coffee every 10 times a day.

I imagine if Janeway is that resourcefull, so is Kirk.

Kirk would fare much better, because of his more "direct methods, were the Voy Crew had all thier little problems with some things, wich would bring them nearer to home.
Hell, Kirk even would had no problem with simply useing the caretakers station to return into the UFP.

Kirk would blow the shit out of the Kazons and not need to destroy the Caretaker Array and therefore would not be traped in the Delta Quadrent. Or Scotty would have figured out Slip Stream really early and it wouldn't have mattered.

The difference is that the Enterprise is a warship that does research for extended duraations while Voyager is a short duration explorer funny thing is that the Intrepid class is little bigger than the Constitution class.Yet Kirks ship had more crew

Then can you provide a list of easy kills for Kirk? I know I missed a few, but I listed the main ones.

I do not have a comprehensive list at my hand since many Voyger species were merely alien of the week. Generaly considering the way Voyger greatly outgunned most starships she encountered, the Enterprise could be expected to put up a decent fight. The list of alien species at DITL could be useful for a list of delta quadrant races.

I'm not questioning his leadership, its just his ship. He could probably not have gotten into as many as fights as Janeway (Imagine that) but he eventually would have gotten shot at. His ship is about 100 years behind Voyager's. 1 shot from the more competent species that damaged Voyager would destroy the Enterprise.

You are not getting the point. When you are trapped in unknown space with no help from home a slight difference in power does not matter much.
Leadership skills of the captain are more important in here because no matter how powerful ones ship is one is outgunned by an entire quadrant.

Typhonis 1 wrote:The difference is that the Enterprise is a warship that does research for extended duraations while Voyager is a short duration explorer funny thing is that the Intrepid class is little bigger than the Constitution class.Yet Kirks ship had more crew

That is true. It could be explained by having more systems automated and needing fewer crew to run it. Plus Kirk and Co. were on a five year mission that required to account for some loss of crew and the Intrepids are not long range ships. If you look at cabin space used then it makes some sense, even low ranking officers had bigger quarters than Kirk did on the Enterprise. It is interesting to note that Kirks quarters on the Enterprise seems to have gotten considerably smaller between TOS and the movie era.

You'd know where Kirk had been because there'd be a trail of illegitimate children. He'd have slept with the female Caretaker, and taken the ship home.

Gandalf wrote:You'd know where Kirk had been because there'd be a trail of illegitimate children. He'd have slept with the female Caretaker, and taken the ship home.

And in doing so, he would leave thousands of brand new colonies for the Federation using only his seed and a chich that was mad hot only by the bottle of Scotch Scotty gave him.

Hrm... well, Kirk is more the type that would *ahem* "aquire" a new ship if the E-Nil wasn't up to the task. I have much more confidance in the abilities of the TOS crew to get home than I would have for Voyager.

By the way, major props to Wild Karrde for the "Sam and Max: Hit the Road" sig and avatar. That was an AWESOME game.

Gil Hamilton wrote:Hrm... well, Kirk is more the type that would *ahem* "aquire" a new ship if the E-Nil wasn't up to the task. I have much more confidance in the abilities of the TOS crew to get home than I would have for Voyager.

By the way, major props to Wild Karrde for the "Sam and Max: Hit the Road" sig and avatar. That was an AWESOME game.

Hooray, I've been noticed.

Yeah it's one of my favorite LucasArts point-and-click games. Then again, I liked pretty much all of their point-and-click games.