David Brin's thoughts on AotC

Concerned Onlooker · Post by **Concerned Onlooker** » 2002-09-18 02:46pm

I found this article by David Brin to have some interesting points, and he has an EXCELLENT idea for Episode 3 that could tie all of the movies together, explaining some odd scenes from the first five movies.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-09-18 03:03pm

I like his suggestion about how to tie up all the coincindences/plot holes.

It would make Anakin/Darth Vader more heroic in a way. It could also be used as an excuse for why he was killing Adminrals left and right in ESB (perhaps he knew something about their character, or just had to make himself look evil enough to the Emperor while getting rid of the Empires commanders).

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-09-18 03:38pm

I did not like this article. Mr. Brin seems to be more than a little pretentious, and it's my opinion that he hates the Star Wars series. I mean, look at how much he reads into the use of the word
"Federation" to describe the Trade Federation. He probably hates Lucas because Lucas is the author of the most successful Science Fiction franchise ever, while David Brin's only sally into the world of movie magic was an unmitigated failure.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-18 04:00pm

Indeed he is certinatly no friend to the SW universe and seems intent on well.... hmm best way of saying this?

Ah!

He is intent on being a memeber of the media
Or another way

Start postive

Go directly to negative, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollers

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-18 04:19pm

No major change from his last article on Star Wars(Mike Wong has it posted here). He misses obvious things, and berates the series because he feels it isn't sci fi. Elitist punk ass.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-18 04:20pm

....The url tag hates me.

Aaron2 · Post by **Aaron2** » 2002-09-18 04:45pm

My favorite is : "Hey, people have enjoyed [Star Trek] 100 times as many hours of that universe as they have yours, George."

I guess quantity = quality.

Aaron

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2002-09-18 05:21pm

Please remove the stick from Brins ass.

Have anyone else had the missfortune to read his uplift crap?

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2002-09-18 05:27pm

Ack no edit...

The PAIN ! i saw that Brin is the sicko that managed to type up the utter crap The Postman.
Wonder what he thinks about costner? He probebly blames him on the utter failure of that film

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-09-18 06:22pm

OMG, is this guy Living in another Universe! I read his other article b/f regarding TPM. What the fuck is wrong with him, He obviously has some agenda against Lucas.(If you interested in antiStar Wars campaigns look at my post Here) I don't know why dick-head writers like him devote time overcriticizing a good thing, maybe he should get to work writing another shitty book. He is like the Ultimate Trekkies Fanboy times 1000. I'd love to see MW give him some of the Imperial-Smackdown someday. The funny thing is he actually thinks he's bringing up a valid point, man hee must have blinders to the world.
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Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-18 06:22pm

He's a jealous twit.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-18 06:30pm

David Brin is one sad little git. Seriously, he makes no effort to watch between the lines of SW. And many of his points are flat out wrong. Luke was never going to be put on a throne alongside his sister after the movie.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-09-18 07:02pm

He can suck it, suck it long and hard, no way in hell I'll buy anyone of his looser books

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-18 07:09pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:OMG, is this guy Living in another Universe! I read his other article b/f regarding TPM. What the fuck is wrong with him, He obviously has some agenda against Lucas.(If you interested in antiStar Wars campaigns look at my post Here) I don't know why dick-head writers like him devote time overcriticizing a good thing, maybe he should get to work writing another shitty book. He is like the Ultimate Trekkies Fanboy times 1000. I'd love to see MW give him some of the Imperial-Smackdown someday. The funny thing is he actually thinks he's bringing up a valid point, man hee must have blinders to the world.
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Check the Hate Mail Section, because Mike Wong writes up a rebuttal to his first article on SW.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-09-18 07:12pm

SirNitram wrote:
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:OMG, is this guy Living in another Universe! I read his other article b/f regarding TPM. What the fuck is wrong with him, He obviously has some agenda against Lucas.(If you interested in antiStar Wars campaigns look at my post Here) I don't know why dick-head writers like him devote time overcriticizing a good thing, maybe he should get to work writing another shitty book. He is like the Ultimate Trekkies Fanboy times 1000. I'd love to see MW give him some of the Imperial-Smackdown someday. The funny thing is he actually thinks he's bringing up a valid point, man hee must have blinders to the world.
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Check the Hate Mail Section, because Mike Wong writes up a rebuttal to his first article on SW.

Saw It a while back, It the only way I could read the article w/o having the urge to break the computer. But what I meant is and actual corresponding debate.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-09-18 07:31pm

Although he doies seem to be on B&B's payroll, he does bring up a good point on Vader and Obi Wan

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-09-18 07:36pm

Vader and Leia, too...

omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2002-09-18 08:17pm

Hate to admin it but I like Brin's works.. His UPlift universe is well throught out and interesting and he does make alot of good points about the whole SW genre..

The fact is that treatment of Anakins mother was if not illogical down right Cruel.. Leaving the poor woman in slavery...

And what is Lucas message, on love, heroism and emotions?

But Brin's attack on Lucas smack of down right Envy... and seem in my opinion a little uncall for.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-18 08:24pm

I like Startide Rising and the Postman, but I can't understand why he would go crazy about this thing. He appears to be advocating a communist/socialist world in his latest few articles, and you must remember that Lucas is working from a source. He cannot really change some of the things in Le Morte D'Arthur just so that he can help match them better with modern perceptions. Remember that originally Le Morte D'Arthur was a very democratic book. They used a round table. The Knights all had their say. In fact, sometimes even the squires were important.

Lucas' message regarding heroism is that people who are willing to die for other people will make a difference. With emotions, Lucas is saying that it is important to understand them and to be in touch with them. With love, it is that it is important to love, but it is equally important to be able to let go. I really don't see how Brin can decry that the Alliance is in any way an elitist organization (more so than SF), or that they were going to crown Luke and Leia at the end of the war. In fact, it seems perfectly clear from the medal scene in ANH that the Rebels were an organization that was rewarding its heroes, and not that its heroes were demanding of the Alliance. Also, people like Han and Wedge and Lando and the Droids demonstrate that Lucas was not looking to heroify only Jedi (in fact, Obi-Wan and Anakin were the result of the whole problem in the first place--this is clearly a warning against totalitarianism, contrary to what Brin would have us believe). In fact, Lucas seems to be saying that it does not take a Jedi to be a hero when he has Lando and Wedge and Nien Nunb destroy the DSII.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-09-18 08:29pm

Anakin was afraid to express concern over his mother; he didn't want to appear to be weak to the Jedi Order. Thus he was afraid to personally save his mother, or to ask someone to check up on her. Like David Brin said, he's human.

A lot of people have criticized the Jedi Order for not sending a few Knights to check up on Anakin's mother, just to be safe, but I think this is unreasonable; Jedi Knights are scarce resources, and their energies must be devoted to more important issues. They can't go worrying about freeing individual slaves on obscure planets while thousands, even millions of lives may hang in the balance. Plus, getting involved in the slave trade on an Outer Rim planet would not be politically expedient; can you imagine if some anti-Jedi Senator got knowledge of it?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-18 08:35pm

Incidentally, not sending Jedi to help Anakin's mother was a democratic decision--much like Sisko's decision not to go back and rescue Jake. Also, the Jedi have no experience with mothers, much like how in Brave New World the denizens of the World State have no experience with families.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-09-18 08:39pm

Concerned Onlooker wrote:I found this article by David Brin to have some interesting points, and he has an EXCELLENT idea for Episode 3 that could tie all of the movies together, explaining some odd scenes from the first five movies.

Are you David Brin?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-09-18 08:54pm

Are you David Brin?

No, he's just on crack like David Brin.

Brin can't possibly have seen the same Star Wars as the rest of humanity. Both of those articles are utter bullshit, he's taken everything out of context, overlooked it or better yet just plain twisted it into something completely unrecognisable. If that's the kind of thinking that goes on in his miserable excuse for a brain then I'm not suprised Postman was a steaming pile of horseshit.

And that has got to be the single dumbest idea ever suggest for Episode 3. Bar none.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-18 08:57pm

What the hell is he talking about when he says that Lucas keeps telling us that heroism and democracy are futile? His qualifying statement was that the villains were neither foiled nor inconvenienced by the incident, when he keeps telling us that the Jedi are the real villains. In a sense, he's right. Read "The Symbolism of Star Wars" on this site. The point is that the Jedi were corrupt. An author should have been able to pick up on that--especially a talented one. Clearly David Brin is purposely working to try to undermine Star Wars. What's more, he's willing to lie in order to do it. Didn't he watch Dack Raltir's death in ESB? Didn't he watch the Rebels hurling their ships against the Empire in RotJ? Didn't he see how non-Jedi destroyed the DSII? And where was he when the Naboo pilots, despite the odds against them, continued to attack the Droid control ship. That's okay, though, since he would have us believe that there are no heroes in SW.

Hello? David Brin? How the hell can you tell us that SW is elitist, then turn around and tell us that it needs a Campbellian hero? CAMPBELLIAN HEROES ARE ELITIST! Look at it. A Campbellian hero is one person who fights against great odds. He needs a mentor, thresholds, an abyss, and he needs to change along the journey before he rejoins society. The fact that he must re-join society at the end by definition means that he must also leave society to begin his journey. But Brin accuses Lucas of being elitist? What? Brin just contradicted himself thematically (he did that also, in his writing).

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-18 09:03pm

I finally got down to reading his three paragraph suggestion for Episode III. David, there's a reason GL will never use that. It sucks ass. That and it makes no sense, given the rest of the movies. There are obviously lots of directions he can take Episode III in, but almost all of them are better than yours.

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