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I'm writing my latest chapter of Twilight War and thinking as I do it about Palpatine and all he accomplished. He was in governemt most of his life (an assumption of mine but I get the sense of TPM that he has been doing this for a long time.) He served the interests of Naboo, etc. Where did he find the time to be Darth Sidious, train himself and train Maul?

How was Palpatine trained? I know he was obviosuly trained by a Sith lord but traning takes a long time, as we see in the Jedi you have to train into adulthood before you can be considered ready and as I understand it, Palpatine was the most powerful darkside user ever (Hears the sound of the fast approaching EU Inquisition)

So if it takes almost 30 years to train you up to Jedi Knight status what was Palpatine doing? Did he just appear out of nowhere and then where did he find the time to train Maul? As I understand it, Maul was trained as a young boy into adulthood by Sidious.

I mean did he do all of this in his free private time? If he's keeping Maul in another world for training, how does he get around without people noticing that the Rep from Naboo spent his summer vacation hypering from Naboo out to the Rim?

I just want to nail down timing sopecifics for my story so I don;t get it all too wrong and thsi intrigued me.

He might never sleep. Like possesed Gantoris in Dark Apprentice.

Shadow Hunter opens the slight possibility, that part of Maul´s training was done from a distance over holo-net.

My best guess would be Palpatine is a lot older than sources give him credit for.

And how much of his official time can really be spent on playing senator of Naboo. The system isn´t very important and we don´t know, how much time he really spent at the senate in his early years (some sources claim he was severely lacking in ambition, at least in public).

When exactly did he steal the concious transfer technique from the Jedi? He might be much older than we realize.

I'm guessing he was trained from birth. i.e no childhood

Like this
6 am: Get up, tortured by Sith Lord
7 am: Wash for school
8 am: Arrive for school, practice mind control techniques on unpopular students during breaks, rescess, lunch and so forth
3 pm: Finished school. Use Force to get ride home from someone's parents
Home - 6pm: Studies, Academic. Dark Side training if academics are done
6pm - 6:30pm Dinner
6:30pm - 8pm: Studies, Academic. Dark Side training if academics are done
8pm - 12am: Dark Side training

His weekends would probably be
7am - 12pm: Academics if need be
12pm - 12am: Dark Side training

By the time he was old enough to serve on the Galactic Senate, he'd be powerful enough to start gathering resources etc, and hide his power from the Jedi

The Episode II Visual Dictionary indicates that it is a well-known rumor, and potential fact that Supreme Chancellor Palpatine does not sleep. The fact that he's crazy and has dark side powers makes this quite possibly true.

Stravo wrote:I'm writing my latest chapter of Twilight War and thinking as I do it about Palpatine and all he accomplished. He was in governemt most of his life (an assumption of mine but I get the sense of TPM that he has been doing this for a long time.) He served the interests of Naboo, etc. Where did he find the time to be Darth Sidious, train himself and train Maul?

Over the Holonet and whenever he went on vacations or leave it was probably intense Maul training time.

Also, you confuse cause and effect: perhaps the reason Sith training is so long just because of pressing "real-life" needs and responsibility by the Sith Master and/or Apprentice. Afterall, Lumiya's training was rather brief compared to Maul's, and others, such as Darth Malak and Darth Revan required little training once initiated into the Sith secrets, yet were respectably powerful.

Palpatine probably also trained by "trial by fire" giving more and more pressing tests and assignments for the budding Sith while Palpatine was busy.

Stravo wrote:How was Palpatine trained? I know he was obviosuly trained by a Sith lord but traning takes a long time, as we see in the Jedi you have to train into adulthood before you can be considered ready and as I understand it, Palpatine was the most powerful darkside user ever (Hears the sound of the fast approaching EU Inquisition)

I believe it is likely a relative or perhaps family tudor or assistant was secretly the Sith Master. He could've squeezed in any training when possible, and Palpatine's initial course of training was as a Sith Acolyte, not a Sith Warrior like Maul.

And like I said, Dark Side "faster, better, stronger, easier" really does apply. Some Sith and Dark Jedi got very powerful and menacing very quickly once they broke through to the preverbial gold mine of Dark Side power and knowledge.

Stravo wrote:So if it takes almost 30 years to train you up to Jedi Knight status what was Palpatine doing? Did he just appear out of nowhere and then where did he find the time to train Maul? As I understand it, Maul was trained as a young boy into adulthood by Sidious.

The Jedi are Light Side. It is "slower, harder, weaker, disciplined." I believe the Jedi probably go in baby-steps of training, and much of it is as much indoctrination into Jedi values, philosophies, and ideology as training. They're very paranoid about mere dissent, much less abuse of power. None of these complications cloud the attention of the Sith.

Stravo wrote:I mean did he do all of this in his free private time? If he's keeping Maul in another world for training, how does he get around without people noticing that the Rep from Naboo spent his summer vacation hypering from Naboo out to the Rim?

Why couldn't Maul be trained in private at the Senator's palace? And plenty of politicans go on all kinds of PR trips and official duties--isn't hard to slip away.

Not to mention, there's thousands of tomes and books and databases from the Sith Empire and subsequent Orders and insurrections to supply a budding Dark Sider with a wealth of information.

Additionally, there's Sith monks and peons who maintain their equipment, secret storehouses, logistics, etc. who are no doubt well-versed in Sith lore to help educate youthful Apprentices. Afterall, there must be support staff for the Sith monestaries and facilities to support the Sith Infilitrator and special equipment.

Trytostaydead wrote:When exactly did he steal the concious transfer technique from the Jedi? He might be much older than we realize.

Between Episode III and ANH. His first resurrection was shortly before the Battle of Yavin.

Don't forget the possibility that the good Chancellor from Naboo is a clone himself. That leaves the real Palpatine/Sidious free to roam about the galaxy.

It could work as follows:

Early on in his career young Palpatine had an epiphany. His epiphany was that someday he could rule the galaxy. Among his first accomplishments is having a clone of himself made - one that he can control, of course. This gives added benefit later on when the clone has direct dealings with Jedi. While the clone works the political angle(s), Sidious is free to pull the wool over the Jedi's eyes.

Or something like that.

CorSec wrote:*snip*

I'll forget the possibility quite easily, thank you.

I'm telling you, Primus, I really hope Lucas throws in a scene where Palps is dressing in the morning, and when he opens his closet you see his large wardrobe of all-black and several black cloaks hanging on the racks, just so we can laugh at the "Sidious is a clone!" people.

It's no more or less practical than suggesting he never sleeps.

CorSec wrote:It's no more or less practical than suggesting he never sleeps.

Well, neither does the Doctor...

CorSec wrote:It's no more or less practical than suggesting he never sleeps.

Bullshit. The EIIVD, an official source, states that there's a rumor that he doesn't sleep.

There is no official support for the idea that Sidious is a clone. Plus, it would be stupid.

The question can be a matter of instinctual Force powers. After only a few weeks Kyp Durin beat Luke. Admitidly that was with the help of a Sith Ghost but Kyp got very powerful very early. It is also stated in the EU that Jedi sleep rarely and that Dark Jedi don't need to sleep at all. Gantoris(sp) was using techniques to steal energy from the animals arround the Temple. Also remember Palpy was very heavy into the darkside, so into it it rotted his body to the point he had to change it a few tomes IIRC.

Robert Treder wrote:

CorSec wrote:It's no more or less practical than suggesting he never sleeps.

Bullshit. The EIIVD, an official source, states that there's a rumor that he doesn't sleep.

There is no official support for the idea that Sidious is a clone. Plus, it would be stupid.

Unless the reason that people think he never sleeps is because there's more than one of him running around (ie a clone).

I don't like throwing clones around willy-nilly any more than anyone else. I merely stated one possible solution.

A rumor, even if stated by an official source, is just that; a rumor.

Stravo wrote:So if it takes almost 30 years to train you up to Jedi Knight status what was Palpatine doing?

"Quicker, easier, more seductive"

The Dark Side gives power away freely and makes you pay for it later. It's practioners don't have to spend nearly as long mastering the techniques as Jedi, who have to learn to master themselves before they can master the Force. Sith never learn to master themselves, and the Dark Side masters their lives.

That's my take on it, anyway. It explains why Sith inevitable seem to die of stupidity: they just can't resist standing over a "helpless" enemy and gloating when they should be finishing their opponent off.

Robert Treder wrote:The Episode II Visual Dictionary indicates that it is a well-known rumor, and potential fact that Supreme Chancellor Palpatine does not sleep. The fact that he's crazy and has dark side powers makes this quite possibly true.

He could be addicted to lesai, that keeps you from sleeping.

What's lesai?

Or he could be using some sort of Force skill so that he either needs barely any sleep or none at all...

Stravo wrote:So if it takes almost 30 years to train you up to Jedi Knight status what was Palpatine doing?

Luke trained for only a few years and he was able to resist the dark side. So as others have pointed out, most of a jedi's training is mastering themselves and not mastering the force.

Dumbass me.
I figured it out.

Treat it like training to be a Jedi, but replace self-control training with political and legal training and possibly public education/service.

If he kept to public service jobs/offices on Naboo for a while, that would explain the early 'dissmal political career'. Then, when his power was to the point he could hid it from the Jedi Council members, he runs and makes Senator of Naboo

He had to be pretty good at hiding at an early age. He had a Jedi advisor pretty early.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What's lesai?

Or he could be using some sort of Force skill so that he either needs barely any sleep or none at all...

Lesai is a drug introduced in the "Adventures of Lando Calrissian" which is rare, valuable, and among its effects on humanoids eliminates the need for sleep.

Robert Treder wrote:The Episode II Visual Dictionary indicates that it is a well-known rumor, and potential fact that Supreme Chancellor Palpatine does not sleep.

*watching verilon suspiciously*

@Stravo:

Maul was trained on Coruscant - at least the comics pictured so - so Sidious didn't need to travel away from Coruscant to teach him.

Also we've seen in AotC that he has some kind of a hidden HQ in an almost abandoned, industrial sector on Coruscant. That's where he met with Tyrannus...

Also we've seen Sidious and Maul chating peacefully on a balcony in a more inhabitated area on Coruscant.

I think the shroud of the Dark Side has blocked the jedis senses way earlier then Yoda realized it...

As for the time for teaching...

In the beggining the master spends most of his time with the apprentice but at this point Palpy was just a senator and he had much more free time.
Later the master only gives instructions/questions and the apprentice must find the answers by meditating and practice.
Maul's skills were focused on combat, he practiced with droids.

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I disagree, Ive always hated the concept of how the Dark Side is what caused the Emperors Frail form, even though he was a human obviously in what would be consudered the later years of his life, hell he was old even when he was elected Chancellor. But to my reasons for disagreeing...

A Dark Jedi never leanrns to master himself, he is a Jedi who never finished his training or abandoned parts of it, as such he has the power but no longer has the necessary abilties to wield it in a non life threatening manner. YOda, powerful after 900 years of using the force is a great indicator that proper use can lead to logner lifespans. He even hinted at powerful force users being near immortal with "Strong am I with the force, but not that strong"

a Sith however is different, truly trained in arts that date back for millenia, A Sith leanrrs to master himself in a different way. rather than spending his life seeking an inner peace and controlling their anger, they embrace the hate. Vader, in shadows of the EMpire, embraced hate fully and was beginning to heal his lungs, actually growing so strong as to be able to not need his chamber and suit. Although when he felt joy his condition deteriorated. The "Genetic Decay" thing is a stupid way of making the Light side look much more superior morally methinks. I think the Sith spend just as much time if not more than the Jedi. could you imagine having to draw on Hate for your strength constantly? Even the slightest hint of happiness, satisfaction, or sympathy would weaken you. Im sure that even satisfaction was all they could afford if that. It is the only flaw of the Dark Side. they seek ultimate power and cannot attain it because even if they became as strong as possible, any sense of accomplishment could be counterproductive. In that sense it would take a being of Pure Hatred to master the dark sides secrets. Compare that to a Jedi, who seek to embrace the light, and feel love for all things. It is far easier to let go of hate than to let go of love.

anakin Skywalker never finished Jedi Training, but presumably leanred the arts of the Sith from Palpatine. and even as a Padawan he never truly went along with the Jedi code.

Another thing regarding the SIth is that even in Death, Sith SPirits have shown much more resilency than jedi Spirits. Obi Wan left luke skywalker shortly after Bakura, but Spirits such as Exar Kun and the spirits on Korriban have shown that they can last longer in spirit form. Least from what ive seen.

All of this is a gues sbased on opinion though, so if there are flaws then, ah fudge it right?