Attention new Trekkies (Cpt. Zod, PROMETHEUS)

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-09-23 07:56pm

I challenge you to a B5 vs. Star Trek Debate. Ive never had one with a Trekkie, and you guys qualify as Trekkies. Lets Rock.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » 2002-09-23 08:11pm

Babylon 5? Well.... I don't know that much about it... isn't it some DS9 ripoff?

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2002-09-23 08:19pm

PROMETHEUS wrote:Babylon 5? Well.... I don't know that much about it... isn't it some DS9 ripoff?

Oh hell no you did not just say that. You, my mis-informed little trekkie friend, has been grievously mis-informed. 'Tis DS9 that is the rip off. JMS (the creator of B5), when trying to sell his show, went to paramount. They rejected his show and the outline he brought with him, and few months later came up with the "original" show of DS9.

Hell, B5 the series was accepted by WB before DS9 was announced, and the B&B actually rushed the DS9 pilot into production to get it out BEFORE the B5 pilot in order to make B5 look like the fraud.

So do not ever make that mistake again.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-09-23 08:44pm

Thanks Cheif. Anyways, maybe another one of your friends would like to debate me.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » 2002-09-23 08:48pm

Ive only seen a few episodes of B5, maybe a dozen at most. Are there any good Babylon 5 tech sites out there that I could read?

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-09-23 08:55pm

try this http://www.babtech-onthe.net, this is still the most accurate b5 tech site on the web.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-09-23 09:22pm

www.b5tech.com........ good site too

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2002-09-23 09:31pm

I have a question, what exactly is the debate going to be over exactly?

First ones v.s. Borg?
ISA v.s. Federation?
Centauri v.s. Klingons?

What will be the debate?

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-09-23 09:52pm

First ones v.s. Borg?

I think it would be close by I would go with First Ones.

ISA v.s. Federation?
Centauri v.s. Klingons?

If the B5 side is limited to the tech they had in the series, I would say ST side wins. If the B5 side had tech parity with ST, then ISA vs. Federation would be a draw. But, Centauri vs. Klingons would be an easy victory for Centauri.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2002-09-23 10:13pm

Oh hell no you did not just say that. You, my mis-informed little trekkie friend, has been grievously mis-informed. 'Tis DS9 that is the rip off. JMS (the creator of B5), when trying to sell his show, went to paramount. They rejected his show and the outline he brought with him, and few months later came up with the "original" show of DS9.

Hell, B5 the series was accepted by WB before DS9 was announced, and the B&B actually rushed the DS9 pilot into production to get it out BEFORE the B5 pilot in order to make B5 look like the fraud.

B&B need to be shot! Stupid frickin losers, first they ruin one good scifi, and then try and pass off another as a rip off!

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2002-09-23 10:14pm

YES! 100th post! *Victory dance, 100 HTL salute*

Post by **Steve** » 2002-09-23 10:16pm

Shadow WarChief wrote:
PROMETHEUS wrote:Babylon 5? Well.... I don't know that much about it... isn't it some DS9 ripoff?
Oh hell no you did not just say that. You, my mis-informed little trekkie friend, has been grievously mis-informed. 'Tis DS9 that is the rip off. JMS (the creator of B5), when trying to sell his show, went to paramount. They rejected his show and the outline he brought with him, and few months later came up with the "original" show of DS9.

Hell, B5 the series was accepted by WB before DS9 was announced, and the B&B actually rushed the DS9 pilot into production to get it out BEFORE the B5 pilot in order to make B5 look like the fraud.

So do not ever make that mistake again.

You desire another ass-beating at my hands, don't you Draggie?

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2002-09-23 11:41pm

Steve wrote:
You desire another ass-beating at my hands, don't you Draggie?

Another? I was never aware that you dealt me anything. All I tend to remember from your brief foray into the Transformer board that your brother frequents is that we were arguing over what you've replied to and you were losing

I'd gladly give it another go. But not for this thread, which is for actual space battles.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-09-23 11:51pm

Did anyone else pick up on the Ivanova line in Babylon 5 when they make a jab at DS9. This is when they had to result to desperate measures to find financing and they were selling toys of the command staff;

'When did this all become some kind of Deep Space franchise?'

I think that was it

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-23 11:55pm

SolidSnake wrote:www.b5tech.com........ good site too

It's figures are inflated.

PS. Can I get in, too? I'm a pro-Wars debater, and if you want this as a Trekkie vs. Fiver conflict, I'd be happy to sit to out and watch, but I humbly ask permission to point out things like that. Feel free to limit my involvement, prevent me from being involved, or to allow my complete involvement at your discretion, Solid Snake.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-23 11:58pm

PROMETHEUS wrote:Babylon 5? Well.... I don't know that much about it... isn't it some DS9 ripoff?

Erm... I can't think of a really nice way to say this, but, DS9 was a completely crappified version of B5. B5 was better in every conceivable way as a drama and a television show. It required more participation from the viewer (in terms of time and intelligence), but once its requirements were met it became blatantly obvious that JMS was so much better as a writer than anyone even remotely connected with DS9 that any comparison between the two would be an insult.

That notwithstanding, this is almost certainly a debate over technology and industrial capability. It really has nothing to do with which was the better series.

Dead on Arrival · Post by **Dead on Arrival** » 2002-09-24 01:33am

Due to the limits of the FTL method used by the majority of the B5 races, any war fought will have to be defensive only. Without a working system of Hyperspace jump gates and beacons it is not possible to reliably travel through B5-Hyperspace, unless you possess advanced understanding of Hyperspace like the Shadows and other First One races. Unless the ST forces are going to allow the B5 forces to establish such a network, any attempt to go on the offensive will have to rely on the acquisition of Warp technology and the various other systems that allow Warp to function.

Kind of sucks, but what you gonna do?

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2002-09-24 01:39am

Dead on Arrival wrote: Kind of sucks, but what you gonna do?

Map Alpha Quadrant Hyperspace using explorerships as seen as the first episode of Season 2 perhaps?

Dead on Arrival · Post by **Dead on Arrival** » 2002-09-24 01:42am

Map Alpha Quadrant Hyperspace using explorerships as seen as the first episode of Season 2 perhaps?

Refresh your memory, what did the Cortez do when it got to a new star system without a pre-existing Vorlon-seeded jump gate?

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2002-09-24 02:46am

It made a new jump gate, that's what.

SpacedTeddyBear · Post by **SpacedTeddyBear** » 2002-09-24 03:16am

Master of Ossus wrote: Erm... I can't think of a really nice way to say this, but, DS9 was a completely crappified version of B5. B5 was better in every conceivable way as a drama and a television show. It required more participation from the viewer (in terms of time and intelligence), but once its requirements were met it became blatantly obvious that JMS was so much better as a writer than anyone even remotely connected with DS9 that any comparison between the two would be an insult.

Well, the worst of the babylon5 episodes would be considered the best of DS9 and ST:Voyager in terms of... well everything.

Captain Zod · Post by **Captain Zod** » 2002-09-24 08:20am

SolidSnake wrote:I challenge you to a B5 vs. Star Trek Debate. Ive never had one with a Trekkie, and you guys qualify as Trekkies. Lets Rock.

Let's see.

Well there ships have NO SHIELDS so 1 hit will instantly kill them. I mean, come on! The great powerful Sharlin got killed by a <2 MEGATON bomb! Compare this to ST ships that destroy planets in hours!

And of course their weapons are pathetic. Their big guns are lasers or some weak neutron guns, and their big pulse cannons that blast apart ships are 200 megaWATTS!

And their fleet numbers suck. They managed to get, what 30 ships around Mars. 30, in their capital system!

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-09-24 09:58am

I assume Agent's of Gaming books will be allowed in this debate? They are canon, after all.

Captain Zod · Post by **Captain Zod** » 2002-09-24 11:49am

Antediluvian wrote:I assume Agent's of Gaming books will be allowed in this debate? They are canon, after all.

The show is canon. All else is non-canon.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-09-24 12:02pm

C'mon in MoO. About the 2MT Sharlin thing, Londo was wasted when he told that story. About sheilds, who cares if they dont have sheilds? Voyager has told us that thick armor is better than sheilds. Most Fed ships dont have armor, only uber-Voyager and the Defiant have armor. All other SF ships depend on sheilds that have a tendancy to drop when you need them.
Besides, SF ships wouldnt even be able to detect a ship in hyperspace. So, a ship flying about at warp will be completely defenseless when a jump point suddenly opens, and a Whitestar comes out of hyperspace with its guns blazing. How good are sheilds when you cant get them up after massive damage to your fragile science vessels?

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