Whoo FUCKING HOO!

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-20 01:34am

At the SHOT show, Heckler and Koch said they have no plans of selling semi
auto civilian versions of their rifles to americans.......but.....

SIG announced announced plans to build a US made semi SIG550
IF the AW Ban sunsets without replacement.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-20 01:37am

Also

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/ ... 55&fid=942

IMI optimistic US will lift ban on Uzi sales

Israel Military Industries sources say the company wants to bring in partners for its light arms factory.

Sources inform “Globes” that Uzi manufacturer Israel Military Industries is optimistic that it will be able to resume sales in the US. Former President Bill Clinton signed a bill banning certain types of automatic and semi-automatic weapons, including the Uzi, blocking signed contracts worth millions of dollars.

The law expires next year, and IMI believes that the Republican administration and Republican-controlled Congress will not renew it.

The Republicans are close to the powerful National Rifle Association (NRA), which backs US gun makers. The NRA is one of the strongest lobbies in the US, basing its pro-gun arguments on the Second Amendment to the Constitution, which states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

IMI sources said the company would focus in the future on the mini- Uzi, which currently requires a license to buy.

"We plan to bring in partners to the light arms plant, which also makes the Uzi," said the sources. "The fact that the law will expire and the US market will be reopened to us may raise the value of the factory. We'll be pleased if the law is changed before the investors visit the factory. At this stage, we have no special deployment in advance of a change in policy in the US."

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-20 01:39am

That dream of a civilian army is ever so much closer, now all I need is for Australian gun laws to relax a bit.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-08-20 01:51am

Stupid H&K, leaving us stuck with endless AK47 and M16 modifications. The SIG550 however will be very welcome.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-08-20 01:53am

http://www.shottist.com/beltfed.html

A Belt Fed 1911 Pistol

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-08-20 04:23am

Are you even able to legally own weaponry like that yourself Shep?

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-08-20 04:28am

Excellent. I can't wait to see the Glorious Sunset!

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-08-20 05:26am

Just a silly little question....really, what in the fuck is a civillian application for these weapons?

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-08-20 06:33am

Hunting deer, mowing down intruders, putting holes in things. Many applications.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-08-20 07:22am

Of course, I forgot, semi-automatic....or even fully automatic pistols....are clearly of great utility in the sport of hunting......

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-08-20 07:40am

Keevan_Colton wrote:Of course, I forgot, semi-automatic....or even fully automatic pistols....are clearly of great utility in the sport of hunting......

Didn't you know they're good for taking down UN black helicopters and ATF agents? OMGZ!

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-08-20 08:15am

Keevan_Colton wrote:Of course, I forgot, semi-automatic....or even fully automatic pistols....are clearly of great utility in the sport of hunting......

Changing the rules are we? You asked for an application, and I gave you some. However, legalising auto weapons would be totally moronic.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-08-20 09:40am

Look at some of the weapons linked above.....

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-08-20 10:29am

holy fucking shit shep!

*whips out the credit card and buys a crate of .45 ACP rounds*
lets go have some fun dude! although that has got to be hell on the wrist.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-08-20 01:16pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:Just a silly little question....really, what in the fuck is a civillian application for these weapons?

Doesn't matter. In a free society, it's up to the state to prove that these weapons (or anything else it would like to ban) as so dangerous that banning them will produce a demonstrable, objectively verifiable improvement in public safety large enough to justify intruding on the individual rights of gun owners (or potential gun owners). The state can't and won't because these weapons, despite their abilities and their scary looks, are not used in crimes, even of the "maniac guns down his entire office" type. Common criminals don't use them because they're hard to conceal and a waste of money, not to mention harder to dispose of if they actually do shoot somebody. Lone nut snipers are better off using rifles, which by your "what can you use them for" litmus test, are legitimate hunting weapons. The one criminal application they might have is in shooting sprees, but despite how much media attention they get, they're so rare the odds of dying in one is a statistical nonentity, and anyway, they can and have been conducted effectively with pistols and legal semiautomatic rifles.

Which brings me to my next point: full auto weapons are already illegal and that's not likely to change. The so-called "assualt rifle" is a badly chosen marketing term, not a type of weapon. The weapons chosen for the assault weapon ban were chosen not on their rate of fire, caliber, magazine size, or anything else to do with the gun's performance, but rather their appearance. The AWB was primarily a ban on scary looking guns. Congress, in all its legislative majesty, outlawed the plastic stock.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-08-20 01:35pm

Democracy is stupid and ugly. We all know this. Like RedImp said, these weapons are banned not because they are dangerous, but because stupid people are dangerous. And there are far too many stupid people willing to jump up and down and scream 'GUNS KILL DREAMS!'.

However, one of the benefits of democracy is that people, despite our best efforts, do not, at the moment, live forever. Eventually, hopefully, as Congress is replaced by newer-generation individuals who don't have this rabid antigun mentality, such senseless and offensive bans will be lifted.

....holy shit! That house is fucking flying!

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-08-20 02:01pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:Just a silly little question....really, what in the fuck is a civillian application for these weapons?

Same reason as owning a vehicle that has a top speed above any posted speed limit. Because its fucking cool when used safely and properly. Firing weapons at a firing range, especialy fast semi-autos or fully automatics is FUN.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-08-20 02:08pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:Of course, I forgot, semi-automatic....or even fully automatic pistols....are clearly of great utility in the sport of hunting......

I see you aren't very well versed in the applications of semi-automatic pistols. The Colt 1911A1 .45ACP is one of the most popular target shooting and self defense pistols in existence, as well as a weapon widely used in hunting. There are MANY semi-auto pistols that are used for target and hunting purposes.

And the posted guns are, as previously said, effing cool and fun to shoot!

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-08-20 02:37pm

Alyeska wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Just a silly little question....really, what in the fuck is a civillian application for these weapons?
Same reason as owning a vehicle that has a top speed above any posted speed limit. Because its fucking cool when used safely and properly. Firing weapons at a firing range, especialy fast semi-autos or fully automatics is FUN.

I bet firing a RPG into a mountain would be even cooler and funnier, let's legalise those!

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-08-20 02:38pm

Nathan F wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Of course, I forgot, semi-automatic....or even fully automatic pistols....are clearly of great utility in the sport of hunting......
I see you aren't very well versed in the applications of semi-automatic pistols. The Colt 1911A1 .45ACP is one of the most popular target shooting and self defense pistols in existence, as well as a weapon widely used in hunting. There are MANY semi-auto pistols that are used for target and hunting purposes.

And the posted guns are, as previously said, effing cool and fun to shoot!

Would you hunt with a fully automatic weapon like an Uzi pistol?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-08-20 02:43pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
Nathan F wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Of course, I forgot, semi-automatic....or even fully automatic pistols....are clearly of great utility in the sport of hunting......
I see you aren't very well versed in the applications of semi-automatic pistols. The Colt 1911A1 .45ACP is one of the most popular target shooting and self defense pistols in existence, as well as a weapon widely used in hunting. There are MANY semi-auto pistols that are used for target and hunting purposes.

And the posted guns are, as previously said, effing cool and fun to shoot!
Would you hunt with a fully automatic weapon like an Uzi pistol?

multiple game in close quarters

and tell me this... you can honestly say that the thought of popping a few dozen round into a target at the range doen't sound the least bit fun? honestly?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-20 02:46pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Just a silly little question....really, what in the fuck is a civillian application for these weapons?
Same reason as owning a vehicle that has a top speed above any posted speed limit. Because its fucking cool when used safely and properly. Firing weapons at a firing range, especialy fast semi-autos or fully automatics is FUN.
I bet firing a RPG into a mountain would be even cooler and funnier, let's legalise those!

Nice strawman, you dumb shit.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-08-20 02:47pm

Durran Korr wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote:
Alyeska wrote: Same reason as owning a vehicle that has a top speed above any posted speed limit. Because its fucking cool when used safely and properly. Firing weapons at a firing range, especialy fast semi-autos or fully automatics is FUN.
I bet firing a RPG into a mountain would be even cooler and funnier, let's legalise those!
Nice strawman, you dumb shit.

I dunno man, doesn't Heston want people to own operational tanks?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-08-20 02:49pm

Hamel wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote: I bet firing a RPG into a mountain would be even cooler and funnier, let's legalise those!
Nice strawman, you dumb shit.
I dunno man, doesn't Heston want people to own operational tanks?

Nice red herring. No one here is advocating RPG legalisation on the basis of the fact that shooting them is fun.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-08-20 02:52pm

Nice red herring. No one here is advocating RPG legalisation on the basis of the fact that shooting them is fun.

Yeah, I know that

It was simply a question about Heston