Time to arm them Bears....
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Time to arm them Bears....
NPS annouces new hi-tech solution to the bear problem
basically a new program for putting hi tech collers on the bears that will set off automated sirens....
I can feel the Migranes already
They have tried this before...
I wish they would do something about the real source of the "Bear Problem" stupid people who can't secure garbage and food properly.[/url]
basically a new program for putting hi tech collers on the bears that will set off automated sirens....
I can feel the Migranes already
They have tried this before...
I wish they would do something about the real source of the "Bear Problem" stupid people who can't secure garbage and food properly.[/url]
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Re: Time to arm them Bears....
I couldn't agree more on that point.The Yosemite Bear wrote:I wish they would do something about the real source of the "Bear Problem" stupid people who can't secure garbage and food properly.
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It's also a reverse of the Clinton Era policy.
The current series of things that Park Circus is doing is very strange...
Taking away all of the parking spaces (unless you can offard an overnight at one of the lodges), and scoring massive fines lately seems another trend.
They appear to want to trank and implant ALL of the bears too. Even the ones that live in the back country.
The current series of things that Park Circus is doing is very strange...
Taking away all of the parking spaces (unless you can offard an overnight at one of the lodges), and scoring massive fines lately seems another trend.
They appear to want to trank and implant ALL of the bears too. Even the ones that live in the back country.
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Ok, now that I've done that, time to voice the ole opinion. I don't think this is such a good idea. I mean, sirens go off whenever a bear happens to wander too close to a city? There's such a thing as overkill.
Ok, now that I've done that, time to voice the ole opinion. I don't think this is such a good idea. I mean, sirens go off whenever a bear happens to wander too close to a city? There's such a thing as overkill.
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Actually I think the idea is that the Rangers will be notified when problem bears wander into the park. But Yosemite Bear is right, they are removing a lot of camp grounds. If I recall correctly they where given money with the explicit instructions it was to be used for camp ground restoration after the floods.Aya wrote:Pointing finger at Yose. Your time is near, foul fiend! You hear me!? Your time is near!
Ok, now that I've done that, time to voice the ole opinion. I don't think this is such a good idea. I mean, sirens go off whenever a bear happens to wander too close to a city? There's such a thing as overkill.
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There's a 'bear problem'?
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My father, as part of his duties as Forest Ranger, would have to take a crew down to a small town on the river called Smithers every other year because of a black bear problem.
In Smithers, there still is an Italian restaurant, manned by the family of "Mama" Lopez. The restaurant butts back against the wall of the ridge as it comes down to the riverside, and the ridge leads back into rural mountains. This bear would come down the ridge and pry open Mama Lopez's dumpster to get at the food thrown out each day. Note: I did not say trash can. I said Dumpster. As in the big huge green thing large enough to stand inside. The bear would break the lock to get inside.
Every other year, Dad and his crew would come and trap the bear, as it had never done anything to warrent a bullet. The year after, the bear would somehow find his way back, sometimes from totally across the state. Dad often teased that if Mama Lopez stopped cooking such great food, the bear would stay gone.
I have heard that Yosemite and other large parks have a similar problem: Bears find garbage dumps and start to rely on them as food sources. Still, I don't think a loud siren is going to warn a determined bear away from food anymore than transporting him all the way across the state did.
In Smithers, there still is an Italian restaurant, manned by the family of "Mama" Lopez. The restaurant butts back against the wall of the ridge as it comes down to the riverside, and the ridge leads back into rural mountains. This bear would come down the ridge and pry open Mama Lopez's dumpster to get at the food thrown out each day. Note: I did not say trash can. I said Dumpster. As in the big huge green thing large enough to stand inside. The bear would break the lock to get inside.
Every other year, Dad and his crew would come and trap the bear, as it had never done anything to warrent a bullet. The year after, the bear would somehow find his way back, sometimes from totally across the state. Dad often teased that if Mama Lopez stopped cooking such great food, the bear would stay gone.
I have heard that Yosemite and other large parks have a similar problem: Bears find garbage dumps and start to rely on them as food sources. Still, I don't think a loud siren is going to warn a determined bear away from food anymore than transporting him all the way across the state did.
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Ive heard some of the bears are smart enough to break into cars through the trunk or back windows.LadyTevar wrote: I have heard that Yosemite and other large parks have a similar problem: Bears find garbage dumps and start to rely on them as food sources. Still, I don't think a loud siren is going to warn a determined bear away from food anymore than transporting him all the way across the state did.
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Yes, the US has too many Bears for the amount of forested terrain it has left. One solution is to reduce the number of people in the countries national parks, effectively creating more space for them by making them more of preserves as opposed to recreational areas. But many people are against it since that means fewer people can actually enjoy what's being preserved. The problem basically is that the national parks where mean's to be both preserves and rec areasVympel wrote:
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And they were created at a time when most people didnt leave their home town.Sea Skimmer wrote:Yes, the US has too many Bears for the amount of forested terrain it has left. One solution is to reduce the number of people in the countries national parks, effectively creating more space for them by making them more of preserves as opposed to recreational areas. But many people are against it since that means fewer people can actually enjoy what's being preserved. The problem basically is that the national parks where mean's to be both preserves and rec areasVympel wrote:
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Tevar, Jawa your both right.
The policy at Yosemite was originally to feed them so that the tourists could see them and attract more people to the park. That lasted until WWII, when they closed the park to vistors. After WWII they began shooting and relocating the bears accross the state. Come the end of the 1980's they figured out that 30 years of relocating the bears didn't work either. So they implimented a short lived 3 strikes policy (any bear caught three times was killed). That didn't work. In the early '90's they decided that the proplem was the humans. They raised the fines, and started building "Bear Proof" containers everywhere. THe problem, people don't secure them properly, or use them. Thus the bears continue go to human food sources.
The policy at Yosemite was originally to feed them so that the tourists could see them and attract more people to the park. That lasted until WWII, when they closed the park to vistors. After WWII they began shooting and relocating the bears accross the state. Come the end of the 1980's they figured out that 30 years of relocating the bears didn't work either. So they implimented a short lived 3 strikes policy (any bear caught three times was killed). That didn't work. In the early '90's they decided that the proplem was the humans. They raised the fines, and started building "Bear Proof" containers everywhere. THe problem, people don't secure them properly, or use them. Thus the bears continue go to human food sources.
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I think you could make a nice little horror movie on that premise. Imagine, contact is suddenly lost with Yosemite Nat'l Park. A team of rangers is sent along with a former park employee. Once there they are ambushed by bears and fall back the the park's command center. Then even though they've barricaded themselves in, the bear proximity alarms start going off.
Ranger1: Seventeen meters.
Ranger2: Let's get these things lit. (points to flamethrowers)
Employee: They learned. They cut the power and avoided the guns. They must have found another way in, something we missed.
Ranger2: We didn't miss anything.
Ranger1: Fifteen meters.
Employee: I don't know, a hole in a duct. Something under the floors, not on the plans. I don't know!
Ranger1: Twelve meters. Man, this is a big fucking signal. Ten meters.
Employee: They're right on us.
Ranger1: Nine meters. Eight.
Employee: Can't be. That's inside the room!
Ranger1: Seventeen meters.
Ranger2: Let's get these things lit. (points to flamethrowers)
Employee: They learned. They cut the power and avoided the guns. They must have found another way in, something we missed.
Ranger2: We didn't miss anything.
Ranger1: Fifteen meters.
Employee: I don't know, a hole in a duct. Something under the floors, not on the plans. I don't know!
Ranger1: Twelve meters. Man, this is a big fucking signal. Ten meters.
Employee: They're right on us.
Ranger1: Nine meters. Eight.
Employee: Can't be. That's inside the room!
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"They're taking out the power!"Raxmei wrote:I think you could make a nice little horror movie on that premise. Imagine, contact is suddenly lost with Yosemite Nat'l Park. A team of rangers is sent along with a former park employee. Once there they are ambushed by bears and fall back the the park's command center. Then even though they've barricaded themselves in, the bear proximity alarms start going off.
Ranger1: Seventeen meters.
Ranger2: Let's get these things lit. (points to flamethrowers)
Employee: They learned. They cut the power and avoided the guns. They must have found another way in, something we missed.
Ranger2: We didn't miss anything.
Ranger1: Fifteen meters.
Employee: I don't know, a hole in a duct. Something under the floors, not on the plans. I don't know!
Ranger1: Twelve meters. Man, this is a big fucking signal. Ten meters.
Employee: They're right on us.
Ranger1: Nine meters. Eight.
Employee: Can't be. That's inside the room!
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