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Bush asking the UN for help

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Heres the link to the story http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s941068.htm

I like it. Now that things have become messy, and the swift victory of democracy has not been so swift, he's now turned to the UN, claiming that
"Members of the United Nations now have an opportunity, and the responsibility, to assume a broader role in assuring that Iraq becomes a free and democratic nation,"
The responsibility...since when? How did it suddenly become the UN responsibility when this was mostly a US led op, with some countries in support? Wasnt he the one who decided that the UN was being too weak and decided to do it himself? Now that the conventional war is over, and being faced with guerilla warfare, he seeks help? I dont mind the asking of help, even admire it in some ways, because he's admitting that the task of rebuilding Iraq will be a struggle trying to do it alone. But the idea that its now the UN's job to create a democratic Iraq seems odd to me. Almost a buck pass.

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"Iraq is now the central front," he said. "We will do whatever is necessary, we will spend what is necessary, to achieve this essential victory in the war on terror, to promote freedom, and to make our nation more secure."
Buzzwords and nonsense. Still claiming that the War on terror is based in Iraq. Actually Im trying to decide when realistically did Iraq pose any kind of threat to the US. Does it have warships parked off their coast? Intercontinental Bombers or Missiles? Orbital weapons perhaps? Nope. Yes they funded terrorist organisations, but thats par for most countries, arming, supplying, and training insurgents against countries they dont like.

The only threat they pose at the moment is to the soldiers on station there.
Those poor bastards who are getting shot, blown up, and generally attacked by remanents of the Iraqi loyalists and irregulars. I feel for those troops, mainly because this kind of war is near impossible to fight without either drastic measures, or a rethink of the current strategy. Does the Iraqi general citizenry even want US troops in their streets? Are they impressed or want the concept of american democracy? Sure, most wanted to get rid of Saddam perhaps, but I dont know if this is what they wanted either.

As I said, I have no problem with the establishment of a democracy in Iraq, and yes it may even be a good thing and make some of the other religously controlled areas have a rethink. But its not working too well at present. If anything the military occupation has made things harder for any democratic changes to come about.
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After his administration made some bad remarks about "old Europe" and the UN being irrelevant, I find it takes some balls to suggest they have a responsibility to help. We started the war, we took over the country. The responsibility lies squarely with the USA and Britain.
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I agree. If you were told you were 'irrelevant' would you be bothered to help? After snubbing the UN as he has done, Im suprised they would do anything to help.

The war was theirs. Its a pretty simple concept, one learnt as a child. "You make a mess, You clean it up"

but now it appears the mess is too big, and they want help...how suprising;)
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The whole speech sounded to me like political doubletalk. I don't hate Bush, but I'm finding it increasingly harder to respect him whenever he talks. I really, really hope this is some sort of complex misdirection plan of his, because after seeing that I'd almost sooner vote for Jesse Ventura than him*.

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You know that something's wrong with your countries leaders when an actor and a former pro wrestler make more sense than the college educated powerbrokers :wink:

But who knows, it might be a pleasant change. at least it will be entertaining :D
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Members of the United Nations now have an opportunity, and the responsibility, to assume a broader role in assuring that Iraq becomes a free and democratic nation
What a crock of shit. The UN has the responsibility to step in and help the US with troops while the US offers no concessions on administration/management of the country/troops? Sure, whatever- the attitude of the rest of the world is rightly: "you broke it, you bought it". With no incentives (like say, letting their companies doing the reconstruction bidding, for example etc) there'll be no influx of foreign troops- and really- can anyone imagine tens of thousands of foreign troops pouring in to lift the burden off the stretched US forces? I don't see it.
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He didn't ask for help, he almost demanded it. And using some moral blackmailing to acchieve it.
Now he wants UN and foreign support, without giving something in return.
I doubt that France, Germany, or Russia will buy this, unless the USA is willing to give the UN a *much* greater role.
If we are to send troops and spend billions of our own money, we better get something in return.
Germany, at least, won't send troops, if the whole show is not under UN command, but under US command.
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