the force and undead (and droids)

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-11-15 01:14am

Ok so there are no undead in star wars, but can jedi sense droids? They aren't organic and wouldn't really be part of the force. Jedi can sense events before they happen, so they could sense that a droid was going to come at them, but could they sense the presence of the being itself?

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-11-15 01:32am

They could sense the presense of the object itself but not the droids life-force, since a droid obviously is not alive (at least in the traditional sense).

So the question is:

If a droid is killed in a forest and no ones around, does anyone know?

answer: no. not even jedi.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-11-15 04:49am

zombie84 wrote:They could sense the presense of the object itself but not the droids life-force, since a droid obviously is not alive (at least in the traditional sense).

So the question is:

If a droid is killed in a forest and no ones around, does anyone know?

answer: no. not even jedi.

Are you sure? Anakin was able to 'feel' the internals of devices. If he focused on the droid, he would be able to sense that it was no longer functioning. Of course, Anakin was special.
Later Luke was able to identify Threepio, so he was able to sense more than just an object.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-11-15 05:50pm

That depends on what you mean by "sense" - and in what manner.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-11-15 07:15pm

Done to death many times. Here's one thread.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-11-15 09:13pm

WRONG

There are Undead in Star Wars

The are usually Sith zombies, Sith Spirits, and the like.

Case in point, there are Sith Zombies (that can toss force lightning no less) in 'Mysteries of the Sith'

I'd say Marko Ragno's state in 'Jedi Academy' is 'Undead'

the same with Exar Kun in the Jedi Academy trilogy

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-11-16 02:42am

I'm not sure Exar Kun counts. Doesn't being undead usually mean having a physical body, though?

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-11-16 03:06am

Darth Yoshi wrote:I'm not sure Exar Kun counts. Doesn't being undead usually mean having a physical body, though?

Ghosts and Spirits are both qualigy..... since they're dead yet still hanging about. Hence they're undead.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2003-11-16 04:55am

Those "undead" are only in such a state because they were so powerful in the Force while alive, and remain so, so they are not "true" undead as we think of them.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-11-16 12:12pm

There are undead in Star Wars. "Jedi Academy" featured ghost pirate LeChuck.

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-11-16 04:50pm

Solauren wrote:WRONG

There are Undead in Star Wars

The are usually Sith zombies, Sith Spirits, and the like.

Case in point, there are Sith Zombies (that can toss force lightning no less) in 'Mysteries of the Sith'

I'd say Marko Ragno's state in 'Jedi Academy' is 'Undead'

the same with Exar Kun in the Jedi Academy trilogy

how come there are no force ghosts in at least episode 1 and 2, We never see Qui-Gon as one for example.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-11-16 05:40pm

The films and the EU are two different universes, pretty much.

In the films, its not possible to retain your identity after death. The force ghost trick was something that only Yoda, OB1 and Anakin knew of (though Gui Gon is the first to break through, but only as a vocie in ep II).

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-11-16 07:24pm

There has to be at least ONE vampire sith running around at one time or another.... Here let me drain you of your living force to contunue my ennatural existance, seems too easy not to pass up as a possiblity.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-11-16 07:52pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:I'm not sure Exar Kun counts. Doesn't being undead usually mean having a physical body, though?
Ghosts and Spirits are both qualigy..... since they're dead yet still hanging about. Hence they're undead.

Actually, no. A spirit would not be undead since it has no physical body.

From http://www.Dictionary.com

undead: No longer living but supernaturally animated, as a zombie.