LOtR ending (possible spoilers for ROtK...

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2003-12-24 02:46pm

but if you haven't seen it, shame on you). Anyway, I went to see it last night, and my dad asked me why Frodo had to leave with the Elves. I didn't really know, and I thought that someone out in the wilds of SDN might.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-12-24 04:12pm

Because of the injuries he's suffered, from the Nazgul blade, Shelob's sting, and Gollum's teeth, and mainly from his possession of and battle of wills with the Ring itself, which will never heal.

He was allowed to travel to Valinor, one of only a very few mortal creatures ever to do so.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-12-24 05:21pm

He got to leave mainly because he was a Ringbearer, as was Sam, who left many years after.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-12-24 05:28pm

StormTrooperTR889 wrote:but if you haven't seen it, shame on you). Anyway, I went to see it last night, and my dad asked me why Frodo had to leave with the Elves. I didn't really know, and I thought that someone out in the wilds of SDN might.

Frodo left because he simply couldn't find any peace in the Shire any more. After everything he simply had too much of a painful past to every be at peace there. It was more a phsycological thing than a physical pain thing.

Dalton wrote:He got to leave mainly because he was a Ringbearer, as was Sam, who left many years after.

Which is why he was allowed to travel to Valinor, not why he left.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2003-12-26 04:01pm

Will Frodo live forever happy in the Undying Lands, or will he eventually die in Valinor?

I always thought it was the latter, because Valinor ("Undying Lands") was only called so because of its immortal inhabitants (elves, maiar, valar).

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2003-12-26 04:28pm

Guardsman Bass wrote:Will Frodo live forever happy in the Undying Lands, or will he eventually die in Valinor?

I always thought it was the latter, because Valinor ("Undying Lands") was only called so because of its immortal inhabitants (elves, maiar, valar).

He'll die there, even sooner than he would have had he stayed home. It's in the Silmarillion, part of the reason why mortals aren't allowed there. Something about the place makes lives burn out faster than normal.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-12-26 06:09pm

Legolas and Gimli got to go eventually as well.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-12-26 09:07pm

Joe wrote:Legolas and Gimli got to go eventually as well.

Gimli? I'm going to have to check RotK about that one...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-12-26 09:09pm

Legolas did go, but I thought Gimli died first.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-12-26 09:33pm

I'm pretty sure Gimli went with him. I remember being confused when I read it.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » 2003-12-27 02:42am

Legolas took Gimli with him to Valinor, after Aragorn dies.

Seeing ROTK has prompted me to read the trilogy, as well as all "Tolkien-verse" material I can get my hands on.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-12-27 02:58am

Eh, OK; supposedly Legolas took Gimli with him, according to many accounts, but this is not certain. It seems highly plausible, though.

Laundreu · Post by **Laundreu** » 2003-12-27 10:39pm

Joe wrote:Eh, OK; supposedly Legolas took Gimli with him, according to many accounts, but this is not certain. It seems highly plausible, though.

So far as I remember, it's in the appendices in Return of the King. I'll have to find my copy to give exact quotes - Father took the books, the bastard, and I haven't seen them for months. ;_;

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-12-27 11:03pm

According to the book, one of the last notes in the Red Book of Westmarch is that Legolas built a boat to take him over the sea, and Gimli went with him.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2003-12-28 12:26pm

It was Galadriel who gained permission for Gimli to go, as she was the reason he wanted to leave Middle Earth.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-12-28 01:50pm

NeoGoomba wrote:It was Galadriel who gained permission for Gimli to go, as she was the reason he wanted to leave Middle Earth.

I was going to make a joke about that too...

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2003-12-28 05:47pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
NeoGoomba wrote:It was Galadriel who gained permission for Gimli to go, as she was the reason he wanted to leave Middle Earth.
I was going to make a joke about that too...

Oh you still can

I did think it odd though. Maybe staying so long in the Undying Lands gave Galadriel a case of Mountain Fever or something