Stravo's Dad says: "Bush/McCain 2004"

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-01-29 02:27pm

My father calls me this morning and says "I'm telling you this before Dan Rather or anyone else. Cheney will drop out as VP this election year." I nodded as I was tying my boots on. "Yeah dad, that sounds reasonable, I know the only reason he even became veep was as a favor to Bush's dad."

"But I also predict that McCain will be his new running mate."

"Dad, McCain hates Bush."

"So? It woud be a devastating ticket." *reminds me to tease dad since this means Kerry is making him nervous*

"But dad, they aren't remotely friendly. In my opinion Bush stole the nomination from McCain." *Dad snorts derisively*

"Look, he's been campaiging for Bush rather heavily and I think he's angling for a spot on the ticket. You just keep your eyes open for the announcement. Then you can say your dad predicted it."

So here I am enshrining my father's prediction. Anyone have any thoughts on this possibility?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-01-29 02:42pm

STRAVO'S DAD FOR PRESIDENT!

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-01-29 04:18pm

I see McCain running with Dean before I see him running with Bush.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-01-29 04:21pm

They have a "cordial" relationship, and I'm sure you all know what that really means

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-29 04:28pm

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped Cheney from the ticket in 2004, but McCain definitely wouldn't be his replacement.

McCain and Bush tend to differ on domestic policy in a huge way, but on foreign policy they're in the same boat. If anything, McCain is more hawkish than Bush.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-29 09:02pm

But he backs that up at home too, instead of fucking over veterans and reserve troops while the American public watches elsewhere.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-29 09:22pm

Cheney out on his arse? I wish. I doubt he'd give it up though. Of course, he is an embarassment and a focal point for all the focus on neoconservatives.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-01-29 09:26pm

You run .... BUSH/RICE in 2004 and say HI to a 47 state win over any Dem combo....IMHO

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2004-01-29 10:15pm

I could imagine that someone like McCain as his running mate could attract more moderate voters, or at least do a better of it than pandering to the religous right and illegal immigrants.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-29 10:16pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:STRAVO'S DAD FOR PRESIDENT!

*stiff-armed solute*

Heil Heil Heil!!!!

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-29 10:17pm

Argh.

*stiff-armed salute*

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-01-29 10:32pm

*wobbly armed solvent!*

If the Jackboot fits...goosestep
-some ASVS clown.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-01-30 12:00am

Adding McCain, especially in place of Cheney, might do some good to lessen the complaints about the Bush administration being completely owned by big business. This would mostly be due to McCain's record on attempting campaign finance reform and the dumping of Cheney. I think McCain on the ticket would definately make it a stronger ticket than Bush/Cheney.

I have to wonder if the Republicans would be willing to go that route though since if they win that means in 4 years McCain will have to be considered one of the top canidates to replace Bush and the hard core portion of the Republican party doesn't appear to like McCain all that much. One of these days though, the party is going to have to stop catering to so much to the far right if it wants to keep in power.

Perhaps having McCain as his running mate would allow Bush to drift a little more towards the center which is where he appeared to be situated until he had to drift right to compete with McCain in the Republican primaries.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2004-01-30 04:31am

Stravo, Im sure your dad is a wonderful human being and a normally intelligent man who has live a mostly honest and good life.

That being said, he's full of shit this one time.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-01-30 08:20am

Stravo this just isn't going to happen. I agree that Cheney is out (if only for the fact that he isn't going to be the next Presidency, which is the traditional role of the Vice President on a second term) but there is no way that McCain is in.

For one thing, McCain has been way too vocal about his dislike of Bush. He may support him, but he has made it clear that it is due to a devotion to his party, not to the man. It would detract from the Bush campaign's credibility to have him as Vice President, not to mention it would piss off a great deal of Bush's extreme right-wing supporters that got him elected. He also isn't going to be the GOP's choice for 2008, so I say no way in hell.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-01-30 08:22am

EDIT: Might I add that McCain showed up on The Daily Show this week and continued his pokes at Bush? Does this sound like the actions of someone desperately looking for a place on the ticket?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-01-30 08:33am

If Bush has half a brain, he will choose a young up and coming party hotshot to be a running mate in '04. Condi Rice or Rudy Guliani come to mind. Powell wouldn't accept the nod and McCain is too old to be a viable candidate in '08. Because lets face it 2008 is Hillary's year and the only person in the GOP able to curb-stomp Hillary Clinton is KING RUDY I, GOD-EMPEROR OF NEW YORK.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-01-30 08:39am

Col. Crackpot wrote:If Bush has half a brain, he will choose a young up and coming party hotshot to be a running mate in '04. Condi Rice or Rudy Guliani come to mind. Powell wouldn't accept the nod and McCain is too old to be a viable candidate in '08. Because lets face it 2008 is Hillary's year and the only person in the GOP able to curb-stomp Hillary Clinton is KING RUDY I, GOD-EMPEROR OF NEW YORK.

Hmm...interesting, but what makes you think that Guliani would want such a position? Further, despite his popularity, he doesn't exactly have the background necessary to make a legitamate candidate.

As for Rice, do you really think it would be wise to piss off all the racist right-wingers who voted for Bush in the first place by appointing her as the heir to the Bush legacy?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-01-30 09:25am

The Kernel wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:If Bush has half a brain, he will choose a young up and coming party hotshot to be a running mate in '04. Condi Rice or Rudy Guliani come to mind. Powell wouldn't accept the nod and McCain is too old to be a viable candidate in '08. Because lets face it 2008 is Hillary's year and the only person in the GOP able to curb-stomp Hillary Clinton is KING RUDY I, GOD-EMPEROR OF NEW YORK.
Hmm...interesting, but what makes you think that Guliani would want such a position? Further, despite his popularity, he doesn't exactly have the background necessary to make a legitamate candidate.

As for Rice, do you really think it would be wise to piss off all the racist right-wingers who voted for Bush in the first place by appointing her as the heir to the Bush legacy?

if the only other option in 2008 is Hillary Clinton then yes. You will see the South vote for a black President and hell (aka Alabama) will freeze over shortly thereafter.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-01-30 11:00am

Darth Fanboy wrote:Stravo, Im sure your dad is a wonderful human being and a normally intelligent man who has live a mostly honest and good life.

That being said, he's full of shit this one time.

Let's be clear, I never said I agreed with him, because I don't, but I just wanted to enshrine the old man's prediction just in case.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-30 11:02am

As for Rice, do you really think it would be wise to piss off all the racist right-wingers who voted for Bush in the first place by appointing her as the heir to the Bush legacy?

What are they gonna do? Vote Democratic?

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-01-30 11:08am

Joe wrote:
As for Rice, do you really think it would be wise to piss off all the racist right-wingers who voted for Bush in the first place by appointing her as the heir to the Bush legacy?
What are they gonna do? Vote Democratic?

That's why I think they should have gone with McCain last time. The hard core righ-wingers sure weren't going to vote for Gore and McCain would have pulled more votes from the center than Bush likely did.

The Republican party has been screwing themselves for awhile catering to the fringe (IMO) right of the party just like the Democrats were killing themselves catering to the left before Bill Clinton. I think Dole could have defeated Clinton if he hadn't cow-towed to the right wing parts of the party platform. He would have been better just being himself.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-01-30 11:13am

Tsyroc wrote:
Joe wrote:
As for Rice, do you really think it would be wise to piss off all the racist right-wingers who voted for Bush in the first place by appointing her as the heir to the Bush legacy?
What are they gonna do? Vote Democratic?
That's why I think they should have gone with McCain last time. The hard core righ-wingers sure weren't going to vote for Gore and McCain would have pulled more votes from the center than Bush likely did.

The Republican party has been screwing themselves for awhile catering to the fringe (IMO) right of the party just like the Democrats were killing themselves catering to the left before Bill Clinton. I think Dole could have defeated Clinton if he hadn't cow-towed to the right wing parts of the party platform. He would have been better just being himself.

catering to the fringe? Have you seen Bush's spending plan? Jesus, social spending has increased more under Bush then Clinton and Carter combined. I'm telling you, we voted for an economic conservative and got LBJ with twice the Jesus. ugghhhh. But whats the alternative? higher taxes and even more spending under a Democrat? pah!

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-30 11:27am

On social issues yeah, I guess they're catering to the fringe. On domestic issues (with the exception of those tax cuts) I don't get why the Democrats hate Bush so much, I mean he's been implementing all their spending increases for months.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-01-30 11:30am

Joe wrote:On social issues yeah, I guess they're catering to the fringe. On domestic issues (with the exception of those tax cuts) I don't get why the Democrats hate Bush so much, I mean he's been implementing all their spending increases for months.

The same way the Republicans hated Clinton even though he was essentially co-opting any Republican issue that came up during his adminstration. Its simple party politics.