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Could bush win re-election?

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Supposing that after severe interrogation of Bush's cabinet, it is revealed that Bush had adequate knowledge to prevent 9-11, but did nothing.
One day later, US troops capture Bin-Laden, and ship him back to the US.

So, Bush let 9-11 happen, but captured Bin-laden.

Could he win re-election?
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Setzer wrote:Supposing that after severe interrogation of Bush's cabinet, it is revealed that Bush had adequate knowledge to prevent 9-11, but did nothing.
One day later, US troops capture Bin-Laden, and ship him back to the US.

So, Bush let 9-11 happen, but captured Bin-laden.

Could he win re-election?
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given the amount of fundie morons on shrub's side, it's a possibility he could win it, even though it's slim. although with his latest bunglings of idiocy it's also possible Kerry could get it to, assuming Nader doesn't fuck up the election results like he did the last time.
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Setzer wrote:One day later, US troops capture Bin-Laden, and ship him back to the US.
Wow, isn't that just... lucky? :lol:

As for whether or not he stays in power, I think that really depends on wether is vast alliance of right-wingers and fundies remain on his side. You just never know.

Would/could the GOP front another candidate? If so, they'll probably leap on him and tear him to shreds. Effectively handing it to Kerry. If not, they might find some way to downplay the findings and over expose THE finding.

In fact, It would probably be a lot like the following:

Bush failed to prevent 9-11.

OMFG!!! WE CAUGHT OSAMA!!!
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Post by 18-Till-I-Die »

A more interesting idea is what if he knew of 9/11, let it happen, but tomorrow he finds WMD in Iraq. That would easily pull him into victory, simply because there are enough republicans out there that they will (erroneously) correlate Iraqi weapons programs with the attack on America.

However, if he does catch Osama, he wouldnt have enough support. Seeng as it would've been revealed Osama's plan would've failed without his neglegence.
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Expect the media to set unprecedented-by-a-country-lightyear records in RPMs as they spin the story so fast it pulls, twists, and rips spacetime itself asunder. Shrubby Wins...

In that case: Goodbye America, You're _NOT_ the freedom-loving nation I grew up in...
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Yes, not because he's qualified, not because he's good, not because he's even remotely competent, but because there are simply too many people in this country that are like that egotistical, fundy, holier-than-thou bastard. *sighs*, goodbye civil liberties, goodbye equal rights, hello series of pointless wars, hello discrimination on a civil, sexual, and religious basis, hello fascism masquerading as democracy. Anyone got a spare room in Canada I could live in for a while?

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Oni, Ein. I hope you're not serious.

He would be impeached and forced to resign; forget about reelection.
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Post by Oni Koneko Damien »

Impeached with a republican controlled congress? I try to stay out of politics, but unless I'm mistaken, with Bush loyalists in congress, it's rather unlikely they'll get the votes required to throw him out.

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Party discipline isn't that tight. For an example, look at how many Republican Senators broke ranks to attach an assault weapons ban amendment to the gun industry immunity bill that Bush made clear he wanted it with no amendments in no uncertain terms.


Nixon knew it was time to go when his own party abandoned him. If it comes out that Bush knew about 9/11 and allowed it to happen anyway, you'd be hard pressed to find a single Republican who wouldn't vote for articles of impeachment over the issue.


If nothing else, the impulse to win reelection would insure that Bush was impeached if it's proven he knew about 9/11.
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Give me a fucking break. If it was revealed that Bush had simply allowed 9/11 to happen, that would be the end of the Republican party for years; the Congressional Republicans would have to vote for his impeachment, just to maintain some tiny chance of being reelected.
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Post by 18-Till-I-Die »

I think they'd go through the motions, but never actually boot him out on his ass. He'd still be allowe dto run, and might probably win, but only if he does find WMDs or Bin Ladin shortly after the revelations are made.

At least that's my humble opinion.

Course it wont matter since as soon as he debates Kerry he'll be owned and Kerry will be elected the new president :)
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18-Till-I-Die wrote:Course it wont matter since as soon as he debates Kerry he'll be owned and Kerry will be elected the new president :)
Ah, no. Kerry could give him a verbal buttscrew and the morons who still support him would not care. These are also the same people who think Condi Rice expertly handled her part in the hearings, think Bush showed his "resolute and moral" character during his recent address, and any negative word about the Bush admin is a liberal media conspiracy.

Please note the numbers in approval ratings and the Bush v. Kerry polls. Look at how many people still back up Bushler despite all that's happened.
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
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I am by no means a Bush supporter, but what he's done would absolutely pale in comparison to allowing Sept. 11 to happen.
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Hamel wrote:
18-Till-I-Die wrote:Course it wont matter since as soon as he debates Kerry he'll be owned and Kerry will be elected the new president :)
Ah, no. Kerry could give him a verbal buttscrew and the morons who still support him would not care. These are also the same people who think Condi Rice expertly handled her part in the hearings, think Bush showed his "resolute and moral" character during his recent address, and any negative word about the Bush admin is a liberal media conspiracy.

Please note the numbers in approval ratings and the Bush v. Kerry polls. Look at how many people still back up Bushler despite all that's happened.
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No, you're both being fucking idiots. Par for the course, I suppose.
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Howedar wrote:No, you're both being fucking idiots. Par for the course, I suppose.
:?:

Are you seriously suggesting that the freeper-ish right will drop support for Bush in light of a total smackdown?
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
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Absoutely.
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Hamel wrote:
Howedar wrote:No, you're both being fucking idiots. Par for the course, I suppose.
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Are you seriously suggesting that the freeper-ish right will drop support for Bush in light of a total smackdown?
Are you actually suggesting it won't?
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I'm sure that the capture of bin Laden would quickly be overshadowed by the news that the adminstration deliberately let 9/11 happen to advance their political agenda. I'd say a better question would be what would happen if that happened and the next day, the economy suddenly rebounded to it's highest levels ever and a peaceful situation occurs in Iraq.

In the case given, however, I'd say one of six things would happen:

1. Bush is dropped from the ticket and replaced with someone else, but the party's reputation is harmed. Kerry wins.

2. Bush is impeached, but not removed from office. Then, situations #1 or #4 occur.

3. Bush is impeached and removed from office. Cheney becomes president. Kerry wins.

4. Bush is allowed to run for a second term for some odd reason. Kerry wins with at least two-thirds of the popular vote.

5. Under the pressure, Bush resigns from office. Cheney becomes president. Kerry wins.

6. Bush is found dead days after the discovery. Cheney becomes president. Kerry wins.

My philosophy is that if Nixon was forced to resign from Watergate, there is no way Bush wouldn't feel such effects for doing something far more sinister.
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Joe wrote:
Hamel wrote:
Howedar wrote:No, you're both being fucking idiots. Par for the course, I suppose.
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Are you seriously suggesting that the freeper-ish right will drop support for Bush in light of a total smackdown?
Are you actually suggesting it won't?
Obviously. We're talking about the same faction that ignored everything Clarke said by sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "Dick Clarke's American Grandstand" :lol:
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
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If he gets impeached (even if he isn't kicked out of office), he'd never get reelected.
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Of course not. Not only would he be up for impeachment on 3000 counts of negligent homicide, but no Republican with any political sense of simple decency would support him.
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Yes, he could. Remember, this IS the American public we're talking about.
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In this situation, I would really like to think that Bush would be impeached. In fact, probably he would be, despite the frighteningly large number of rabid fundies who truly believe that 9/11 happened because God was punishing America for not making this country into a Bible-thumping theocracy and the George W. Bush is the general of the Lord's Army against the Evilutionist Conspiracy, etc etc etc. They'd never be convinced, but they would also be marginalized quickly.

At least that's probably how it would work in a not entirely stupid country. Hopefully the US isn't that far gone yet.
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