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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic candidate John Kerry (news - web sites), whose campaign demanded to know on Wednesday whether President Bush (news - web sites) read a key Iraq (news - web sites) intelligence assessment, did not read the document himself before voting to give Bush the authority to go to war, aides acknowledged.

"Along with other senators, he was briefed on the contents of the NIE (National Intelligence Estimate) by (then-CIA (news - web sites) Director) George Tenet and other administration intelligence officials," said Kerry spokesman Phil Singer.

Kerry's campaign has challenged Bush to say whether he read the complete intelligence report before deciding to go to war, or whether he just read a one-page summary, which Democrats say gave him none of the dissenting views included in the full version.

The Kerry campaign stepped up the attack on Wednesday, sending out an e-mail with the headline, "Did anyone in the White House read the full National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq?"

In a conference call organized by the campaign, Senate Intelligence Committee Democrat Richard Durbin said Bush should have read the 90-page report issued in October 2002.

Asked if Kerry read it, Durbin responded, "I don't know."

Singer said the issue was not whether Kerry read the intelligence assessment himself, but why the White House had refused to release the one-page presidential summary.

"The bigger question is why ... the president -- the commander-in-chief, who decided when and how to take us to war -- won't share this document with the Congress," Singer said.

The National Intelligence Estimate concluded Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons but noted dissent from the State Department's intelligence service and other agencies.

The Bush campaign has accused Kerry of "flip-flopping" on the war.

The Massachusetts senator, who voted for the congressional resolution authorizing Bush to use force in Iraq, has since charged the president rushed to war without adequate international help or a plan to win the peace.

At campaign stops in Minnesota and Wisconsin, Bush attacked Kerry for expressing pride in having voted against an $87 billion funding bill for Iraq.

Durbin criticized the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate. He said it was prepared in just three weeks instead of the customary six months.

"It was done in a hurry so that the vote would take place in October before the invasion of Iraq. And now we know that there were many aspects of that National Intelligence Estimate which were inaccurate," Durbin said.

"Along with other senators, he was briefed on the contents of the NIE (National Intelligence Estimate) by (then-CIA (news - web sites) Director) George Tenet and other administration intelligence officials," said Kerry spokesman Phil Singer.

Kerry's campaign has challenged Bush to say whether he read the complete intelligence report before deciding to go to war, or whether he just read a one-page summary, which Democrats say gave him none of the dissenting views included in the full version.

The Kerry campaign stepped up the attack on Wednesday, sending out an e-mail with the headline, "Did anyone in the White House read the full National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq?"

In a conference call organized by the campaign, Senate Intelligence Committee Democrat Richard Durbin said Bush should have read the 90-page report issued in October 2002.

Asked if Kerry read it, Durbin responded, "I don't know."

Singer said the issue was not whether Kerry read the intelligence assessment himself, but why the White House had refused to release the one-page presidential summary.

"The bigger question is why ... the president -- the commander-in-chief, who decided when and how to take us to war -- won't share this document with the Congress," Singer said.

The National Intelligence Estimate concluded Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons but noted dissent from the State Department's intelligence service and other agencies.

The Bush campaign has accused Kerry of "flip-flopping" on the war.

The Massachusetts senator, who voted for the congressional resolution authorizing Bush to use force in Iraq, has since charged the president rushed to war without adequate international help or a plan to win the peace.

At campaign stops in Minnesota and Wisconsin, Bush attacked Kerry for expressing pride in having voted against an $87 billion funding bill for Iraq.

Durbin criticized the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate. He said it was prepared in just three weeks instead of the customary six months.

"It was done in a hurry so that the vote would take place in October before the invasion of Iraq. And now we know that there were many aspects of that National Intelligence Estimate which were inaccurate," Durbin said.

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Please Shep, for the love of God, GET A LIFE.
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The Kernel wrote:Please Shep, for the love of God, GET A LIFE.
So you're not denying that JFK, who is now criticizing Bush's decision to
go to war, didn't even FUCKING READ the goddamn report before knee
jerking and voting to go to war? :lol:
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MKSheppard wrote: So you're not denying that JFK, who is now criticizing Bush's decision to
go to war, didn't even FUCKING READ the goddamn report before knee
jerking and voting to go to war? :lol:
Have you read your own article at all?
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The Kernel wrote:
MKSheppard wrote: So you're not denying that JFK, who is now criticizing Bush's decision to
go to war, didn't even FUCKING READ the goddamn report before knee
jerking and voting to go to war? :lol:
Have you read your own article at all?
I did. And it proves yet again that Kerry = Bush - Jesus.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:
The Kernel wrote:
MKSheppard wrote: So you're not denying that JFK, who is now criticizing Bush's decision to
go to war, didn't even FUCKING READ the goddamn report before knee
jerking and voting to go to war? :lol:
Have you read your own article at all?
I did. And it proves yet again that Kerry = Bush - Jesus.
You missed a few terms. The equation is more like

Kerry = Bush - Jesus + Articulation + Intelligence - Chimp Face + Wizard of Oz Talking Tree Face - Tunnel Vision - Texas Cowboy Attitude.
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So...you're amused because a senator didn't read a national intelligence briefing that President is supposed to read? Did I miss something?
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McC wrote:So...you're amused because a senator didn't read a national intelligence briefing that President is supposed to read? Did I miss something?
The same senator that criticized the President for not doing the same. Yeah, Kerry is so much better. I am so voting 3rd party.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:
McC wrote:So...you're amused because a senator didn't read a national intelligence briefing that President is supposed to read? Did I miss something?
The same senator that criticized the President for not doing the same. Yeah, Kerry is so much better. I am so voting 3rd party.
The way I read it, the senators weren't given access to the full document, only the president had it.
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The way I read it, someone who is not Kerry said that he didn't know if Kerry had read the full thing. This is hardly conclusive.
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Besides, Kerry isn't the goddamn President!
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I guess because none of us read the "Bin Ladin Determined to Attack within United States Memo" we should all just shut the fuck up about criticizing Bush over it too. :roll:
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Oh, yeah, its the same exact thing for the President of the United States of America to not read his intelligence review as a Senator getting only a summary.

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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Yup. Welcome the Sheppard's Brain (tm).
OH yeah, it's hilarious when a guy attacking the president is guilty of the same thing he's attacking the president for. Jesus, could the Democrats
have chosen anyone worse than John Fucking Kerry? :lol:
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You're so pathetic. You're the only one in your sadly addled mind who's laughing at this at all. You're in a room full of incredulous looks and you're the guy giggling in the middle. Beyond help.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:You're so pathetic. You're the only one in your sadly addled mind who's laughing at this at all. You're in a room full of incredulous looks and you're the guy giggling in the middle. Beyond help.
that must make you the self-rightous self-aggrandizing arrogant blowhard. :roll:
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:You're so pathetic. You're the only one in your sadly addled mind who's laughing at this at all. You're in a room full of incredulous looks and you're the guy giggling in the middle. Beyond help.
So that's how you and Durandal must feel most of the time, surrounded
by mouth breathing morons who don't comprehend erudite jokes. Thanks
for the insight into your mind. :twisted:
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MKSheppard wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:You're so pathetic. You're the only one in your sadly addled mind who's laughing at this at all. You're in a room full of incredulous looks and you're the guy giggling in the middle. Beyond help.
So that's how you and Durandal must feel most of the time, surrounded
by mouth breathing morons who don't comprehend erudite jokes. Thanks
for the insight into your mind. :twisted:
so much for egalitarian society.
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that must make you the self-rightous self-aggrandizing arrogant blowhard.
I must ask, do you ever contribute anything of merit, besides obnoxious one-liners?

The point, which has cleared your head in the manner of an Olympic pole vaulter, is that Kerry, who is, in fact, not the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, and who is not actually the President, should not be expected to read a Presidential report when, in fact, the President makes the decision to commit troops and material to foreign adventures, i.e. war.

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Durandal wrote:The way I read it, someone who is not Kerry said that he didn't know if Kerry had read the full thing. This is hardly conclusive.
It all sounds a little too close to gossip to me.

Still, I'm voting Third Party simply because I refuse to vote for the 'lesser of two evils.'

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MKSheppard wrote:So that's how you and Durandal must feel most of the time, surrounded by mouth breathing morons who don't comprehend erudite jokes. Thanks for the insight into your mind. :twisted:
Remind me of this the next time your backup isn't just Crackpot, and everyone isn't just agreeing with us, kneejerker.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:that must make you the self-rightous self-aggrandizing arrogant blowhard. :roll:
I'm sure you have some substantive reason why I'm "self-aggrandizing," since I don't speak of myself in any tones, why I'm "self-righteous" despite no ethics or morals present in this thread, "arrogant" with what display of inappropriate overconfidence, and "blowhard" by saying emphatically something which is untrue.

Right? You have that substance, don't you?
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HemlockGrey wrote:
that must make you the self-rightous self-aggrandizing arrogant blowhard.
I must ask, do you ever contribute anything of merit, besides obnoxious one-liners?

The point, which has cleared your head in the manner of an Olympic pole vaulter, is that Kerry, who is, in fact, not the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, and who is not actually the President, should not be expected to read a Presidential report when, in fact, the President makes the decision to commit troops and material to foreign adventures, i.e. war.

Clear?
Thank you for saying that. I really wasn't getting the point at ALL. How would Kerry read a document only the President had? I've been sitting here, scratching my head, wondering how that was possible.

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Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:that must make you the self-rightous self-aggrandizing arrogant blowhard. :roll:
I'm sure you have some substantive reason why I'm "self-aggrandizing," since I don't speak of myself in any tones, why I'm "self-righteous" despite no ethics or morals present in this thread, "arrogant" with what display of inappropriate overconfidence, and "blowhard" by saying emphatically something which is untrue.

Right? You have that substance, don't you?
He's just insulting you, man. =/ Since when does anyone need evidence to ruin your ego?

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That's kind of IP's point, Raine. He doesn't have any real leg to stand on in terms of the argument, so he's resorted to a character attack.
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