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Taiwan shuts highways off for 1st time in 26 years.....
Two French-made Mirage 2000 jet fighters prepare to take off from a strip of the Jen-teh highway during a military exercise Wednesday, July 21, 2004, in Tainan, Taiwan. Taiwanese fighter jets practiced landing and taking off on the strip of highway that was temporarily closed to traffic early Wednesday - a rare drill to prepare pilots for the possible bombing of their air bases by China. (AP Photo/Hsieh Ming-tsu)
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Taiwan Prepares for Possible Air Attack
By ANNIE HUANG
Associated Press Writer
TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) -- Taiwanese fighter jets practiced landing on a highway that was temporarily closed to traffic early Wednesday, a rare drill to prepare pilots for the possible bombing of air bases by China, officials said.
The island has not held such an exercise in 26 years, and it comes as China conducts war games that Beijing's state-controlled media have said are practice for a long-threatened attack on Taiwan.
The rivals, separated since 1949, usually hold large-scale military exercises at this time of year when the weather is good in the Taiwan Strait, the 100-mile-wide body of water that separates the island from the Chinese mainland.
The drills are partly about posturing, with China trying to warn the Taiwanese against seeking a permanent split. Taiwan - which has repeatedly rebuffed Beijing's demands to unify - wants to show that it is ready to fend off any invasion.
Using the highway as a runway is part of Taiwan's series of annual war games, called the Hankuang, or Chinese Glory, said Defense Ministry spokesman Huang Shuey-sheng. Two French-made Mirage jets practiced landing, refueling, reloading and taking off on the road, he said.
One popular war scenario has China destroying Taiwan's air strips with short-range missiles and bombers. To deal with such a loss, the Taiwanese have designated several sections of highway as emergency runways.
The military began blocking off a five mile section of the freeway in southern Tainan County at 3 a.m. Wednesday. Military crews walked shoulder-to-shoulder down the highway, sweeping away stones and other debris. Helicopters were used to scare away birds that might get sucked into the jets' engines.
Shortly after dawn, the two Mirage jets touched down on the highway, and crews began servicing the aircraft. Local television covered the drill live, while a crowd of residents and military buffs watched from a distance.
Shu Hsiao-huang, an editor of the local magazine Defense International, said using the highways was a wise strategy. "With the spare runways, China would have to use up more missiles, and this would reduce our risks and increase their costs," Shu said.
On Tuesday, Taiwan's military urged the public not to worry about the large-scale military exercises China is holding this month on Dongshan Island, off China's southern coast. The military dismissed them as routine annual drills.
But China's state-controlled media have warned that one purpose of the drills was to discourage Taiwan from seeking formal independence. Some Taiwanese - especially younger residents - oppose unification with China.
A recent English-language article on the People's Daily Online Web site reported that the drills were a warning to "Taiwan Independence elements" that the Chinese military "is capable and confident in settling the Taiwan issue by military force."
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I love how the ChiComs say that practicing wargames to defend yourself
from an attack by the ChiComs is "discouraging to unification", well
no shit, you fucktards, you keep walking all over Democracy in Hong Kong,
and you expect the taiwanese who have a prosperous economy, a
multi party democracy, to submit meekly to you all on the basis of
some really old claims going back hundreds of years?
you china
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We don't have to play your silly games and drop everything to drink tea in the middle of the afternoon.SirNitram wrote:Remind me again how the world is better without the Empire.The Yosemite Bear wrote:heh
yeah pulling out was the worrst thing the british did...
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Um...since when has Taiwan ever been under the jurisdiction of Great Britain?
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Yes, but I asked how things are better, Red, not how you're sliding into barbarism! YOU'RE NOT DRINKING TEA IN THE AFTERNOON! IT'LL STUNT YOUR GROWTH!RedImperator wrote:We don't have to play your silly games and drop everything to drink tea in the middle of the afternoon.SirNitram wrote:Remind me again how the world is better without the Empire.The Yosemite Bear wrote:heh
yeah pulling out was the worrst thing the british did...
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The british should have told China to Fuck off and granted independence
to taiwan, and backed it with the british deterrent. but noooooo downing
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to taiwan, and backed it with the british deterrent. but noooooo downing
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goddamned freudian slips; I meant Hong Kong, lolMKSheppard wrote:The british should have told China to Fuck off and granted independence
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How could they grant independence to Taiwan? It was never theirs. They should have done that with Hong Kong if they could, though...MKSheppard wrote:The british should have told China to Fuck off and granted independence
to taiwan, and backed it with the british deterrent. but noooooo downing
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If HK handn't been absorbed and was still housing RN forces, or had say been sold some RN equipment as part of it's "Independance" we would still be getting decent Action/adventure B movies!!!!
fuck you china, I want a good B-movie now and again, and John Woo, has made shitty ones since he came over here because of you.
fuck you china, I want a good B-movie now and again, and John Woo, has made shitty ones since he came over here because of you.
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That's what we were fucking SAYING!!!!Rogue 9 wrote:How could they grant independence to Taiwan? It was never theirs. They should have done that with Hong Kong if they could, though...MKSheppard wrote:The british should have told China to Fuck off and granted independence
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or can't someone figure out that a british influenced hong kong was a rather good thing, especially given a possible deterrance value against china's empire making plans, kinda like soviet controlled Mongolia serves as still, or if properly supported the US backed Vietnamese could have been if we hadn't backed the fucking French trying to keep their holdings in Africa and Asia.
note in point Ho-Chi Mihn was a US ALLY back in the 1940's....
note in point Ho-Chi Mihn was a US ALLY back in the 1940's....
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Yeah, I know. I was telling that to Shep, not realizing at the time that he had merely made a Freudian slip.The Yosemite Bear wrote:That's what we were fucking SAYING!!!!Rogue 9 wrote:How could they grant independence to Taiwan? It was never theirs. They should have done that with Hong Kong if they could, though...MKSheppard wrote:The british should have told China to Fuck off and granted independence
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Yeah, wankers, if the USN and USAF simply vanish from the face of the Earth to facilitate your masturbatory delusions.MKSheppard wrote:[A recent English-language article on the People's Daily Online Web site reported that the drills were a warning to "Taiwan Independence elements" that the Chinese military "is capable and confident in settling the Taiwan issue by military force."
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Who knows? Maybe the idea is that they'd just get off a quick ballistic bombardment with their SRBMs and hope Taiwan surrenders real quick.Illuminatus Primus wrote:Yeah, wankers, if the USN and USAF simply vanish from the face of the Earth to facilitate your masturbatory delusions.MKSheppard wrote:[A recent English-language article on the People's Daily Online Web site reported that the drills were a warning to "Taiwan Independence elements" that the Chinese military "is capable and confident in settling the Taiwan issue by military force."
Because if they require a real war, I'd like to see how the Chinese are ever going to get over the Straits with their inadequate amphibious fleet. Hell, I wonder if the American amphibious fleet could do the job.
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Can I have whatever crack you're smoking? It's gotta be good, KazKazuaki Shimazaki wrote:Hell, I wonder if the American amphibious fleet could do the job.
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Huh?MKSheppard wrote:Can I have whatever crack you're smoking? It's gotta be good, KazKazuaki Shimazaki wrote:Hell, I wonder if the American amphibious fleet could do the job.
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So you think that America can't effect an amphibious landing on a hostileKazuaki Shimazaki wrote:Huh?
shore, despite us having TWELVE CSGs, each with more firepower and
airplanes than 95% of the world's air forces, alogn with a furthe TWELVE
ARGs, each capabul of landing a complete marine battalion against a
hostile shore....
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Actually, I wasn't counting in the carriers. I am just thinking in terms of sealift capacity. 12 battalions is about a division, which is roughly what I figured was the US amphibious delivery capacity.MKSheppard wrote:So you think that America can't effect an amphibious landing on a hostileKazuaki Shimazaki wrote:Huh?
shore, despite us having TWELVE CSGs, each with more firepower and
airplanes than 95% of the world's air forces, alogn with a furthe TWELVE
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Yes, because destroying a country's entire highway system is simplicity itselfAndras wrote:<China>
Adds highways to targeting matrix
Sends thank you card to media
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Using motorways does help. However, not every piece of highway is equally suitable. I'm not sure about highway conditions in Taiwan, but the highway has to be absolutely straight for at least 500m, preferably a full kilometer.Batman wrote:Yes, because destroying a country's entire highway system is simplicity itselfAndras wrote:<China>
Adds highways to targeting matrix
Sends thank you card to media
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Then, the highway has to be wide. After that, the section highway has to be strong enough to sustain 10-20 ton things moving across it with speeds roughly 3 times higher. The only things that are that heavy are generally trucks, and they generally have more suspension.
If they want to make a habit out of this, they might follow Sweden's style and have dedicated dispersal areas close to these road strips.
Depending on the condition of Taiwan's highway net (which having not lived in Taiwan I won't know), this could greatly reduce the number of egligible highways.