Darth Vader Force Feat

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-09-27 12:26pm

I recall reading this in the the ROTJ Novelization many years ago and wanted to make sure I was reading this right. Vader's shuttle approaches the Deathstar over Endor. The control station tells Vader's shuttle that they must wait until they get confirmation of the code. THEN IIRC Because Vader is impatient his shuttle proceeds forward and the shield around the Deathstar parts enough to allow the shuttle to pass through Vader's sheer will.

Am I wrong about this? If so does this mean that Vader could penetrate a shield rated to withstand nearly any bombardment?

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-09-27 12:30pm

If so, then why didn't Vader do it in TESB to allow the ISDs and Executor to take down the planetary shields? I think that contradicts the movies.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-09-27 12:31pm

Ahem, when does this scene take place?

At the beginning, or when Vader exits the Executor, to talk with the Emperor?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-09-27 12:31pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:If so, then why didn't Vader do it in TESB to allow the ISDs and Executor to take down the planetary shields? I think that contradicts the movies.

The novel stated, once again going from memory, that it was an opening just large enough for the shuttle so maybe Vader can only open it for a very short period of time with a small gap created.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-09-27 12:32pm

Tribun wrote:Ahem, when does this scene take place?

At the beginning, or when Vader exits the Executor, to talk with the Emperor?

His first appearance when he confronts Jerjerrod. "The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am."

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-09-27 12:33pm

A shuttle-sized gap created for a split second is all that's needed for an HTL blast to get through it and take out the shield generator. And if it misses, he could always try it again. The same trick is done with the torpedo sphere.

EDIT: In fact, he could order the gunners to keep firing on the shield and then he could create the opening as the constant stream of HTLs are converging on that spot and then a few would get through and bye-bye shield.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-09-27 12:37pm

Will have to read it again, but I don't remember it. I think they are merely implying he was extraordinarily teed off.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-09-27 12:38pm

Since it contraidicts the movie, where they were given clearance to pass through the shield and land in the DS2, it is meaningless anyway.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-09-27 12:42pm

Tribun wrote:Since it contraidicts the movie, where they were given clearance to pass through the shield and land in the DS2, it is meaningless anyway.

Very true. I didn't even think of that.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-09-27 12:44pm

If I'm right about this in the novelization though it could be used to gauge how powerful Vader could be if the original scripts called for him opening a gap in the shield through use of the Force.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-09-27 12:46pm

I thought that if it contradicts the movie it is completely thrown out?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-09-27 12:47pm

Stravo wrote:If I'm right about this in the novelization though it could be used to gauge how powerful Vader could be if the original scripts called for him opening a gap in the shield through use of the Force.

Certainly would.

Also Tribun it's not completely taken out since I do remember them getting clearence as well in the novel.

One doesn't throw evidence away untill it contradicts everything on every angle...we don't do because then that is no better then picking and choosing what we like and dislike so to insure one side is simply better.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-09-27 12:49pm

Ok, so if it did in fact happen even with clearence, wouldn't the effect of the shield parting be noticeable in the movie?

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-09-27 01:00pm

Stravo wrote:Am I wrong about this? If so does this mean that Vader could penetrate a shield rated to withstand nearly any bombardment?

Actually, I don't understand how you leaped to that conclusion in the novel. They were already processing his clearance, and all they neglected to do was to explicitly say they cleared him. And from that you leaped to the conclusion that Vader forced the shield?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-09-27 01:02pm

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:
Stravo wrote:Am I wrong about this? If so does this mean that Vader could penetrate a shield rated to withstand nearly any bombardment?
Actually, I don't understand how you leaped to that conclusion in the novel. They were already processing his clearance, and all they neglected to do was to explicitly say they cleared him. And from that you leaped to the conclusion that Vader forced the shield?

It was from memory. I just remember that the guy was trying to process the clearance then Vader tells his pilot to keep going and the guy was stunned as an opening appeared in the shield and watched the shuttle go through.

Fuck it, I have to look for this entry because its bugging me now.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-09-27 01:57pm

In my version of novelization a breach apeared in shield. BTW could have used the secrect code that emperor has installed in imperial hardware (he probaly knows the code).

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-09-27 02:01pm

The pilot does say my passanger is in no mood to wait.

So the man doing the clearence may have opened the shield guessing who was on board. The Shuttle did just come out of a Star Destroyer, its a good bet it was someone important.

Vader may have given the shield opperator a love crush just as a hint of who wants in.

Or since he is familier with the controls flipped the switch himself with the force. That is something he couldn't have done with the Rebel shield

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-09-27 06:06pm

ROtJ by James Kahn wrote:Only now, the security web was beginning to separate, to retract and form a clear channel...

No, Vader didn't clear the shield. The operators in the control room did.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-09-27 08:32pm

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:A shuttle-sized gap created for a split second is all that's needed for an HTL blast to get through it and take out the shield generator. And if it misses, he could always try it again. The same trick is done with the torpedo sphere.

EDIT: In fact, he could order the gunners to keep firing on the shield and then he could create the opening as the constant stream of HTLs are converging on that spot and then a few would get through and bye-bye shield.

HTL's are rather unforgiving when it comes to taking prisoners, that being the goal of the trip.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-09-27 09:04pm

Ok, fine, then MTLs or maybe LTLs; whatever would get the job done to knock out the shield generator. They did say they could make an orbital bombardment to take out the shield generator, so they could have done it somehow while still taking prisoners, as the original plan depended on their ability to do so.

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