Study: Iraq war didn't damage terror groups

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-10-11 10:27pm

Not news. The notion that terrorists have been weakened worldwide as a result of the Iraq War is so manifestly idiotic that it deserves some sort of special place in a Museum of Stupidity.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-11 10:28pm

Darth Wong wrote:Not news. The notion that terrorists have been weakened worldwide as a result of the Iraq War is so manifestly idiotic that it deserves some sort of special place in a Museum of Stupidity.

So should this go in the HOS, then?

The_Nice_Guy · Post by **The_Nice_Guy** » 2004-10-12 05:26am

Well, being a terrorist, especially in Iraq, has become a rather more hazardous vocation... one might imagine lots of young fanatics dreaming of a martyr's death in Baghdad.

TWG

Post by **weemadando** » 2004-10-12 05:57am

The_Nice_Guy wrote:Well, being a terrorist, especially in Iraq, has become a rather more hazardous vocation... one might imagine lots of young fanatics dreaming of a martyr's death in Baghdad.

TWG

Yeah, previously you had to overthrow the gov't to get a power-base, now Afghanistan and Iraq have proven that you just let the Americans take out the big problems for you, then just run in the elections that they'll hold - power on a silver platter!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2004-10-12 06:18am

Darth Wong wrote:Not news. The notion that terrorists have been weakened worldwide as a result of the Iraq War is so manifestly idiotic that it deserves some sort of special place in a Museum of Stupidity.

Weakened no, starting to run out of recurits yes
The countinued recuritment efforts of the various Terriosts groups mearly expose themselves to infltration and dismemeberment as we can put fokes into the pipeline to roll up senior memebers

Joe Iraqi does not go Angrey to wearing eight pounds of explosives in under a day

Post by **Edi** » 2004-10-12 06:42am

Mr Bean wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Not news. The notion that terrorists have been weakened worldwide as a result of the Iraq War is so manifestly idiotic that it deserves some sort of special place in a Museum of Stupidity.
Weakened no, starting to run out of recurits yes
The countinued recuritment efforts of the various Terriosts groups mearly expose themselves to infltration and dismemeberment as we can put fokes into the pipeline to roll up senior memebers

Joe Iraqi does not go Angrey to wearing eight pounds of explosives in under a day

Infiltration by whom? Last time I checked, the US was seriously short on people that have the language skills and correct ethnicity and who are trustworthy enough, so it can't really do the infiltration. US intel capability against terrorist organizations is nowhere close to enabling it to take out terrorist groups faster than they can recruit new members.

Edi

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-10-12 08:02am

Mr Bean wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Not news. The notion that terrorists have been weakened worldwide as a result of the Iraq War is so manifestly idiotic that it deserves some sort of special place in a Museum of Stupidity.
Weakened no, starting to run out of recurits yes

You must be joking. Let me ask you this: what causes terrorism? Funding or hatred?

The Bush Administration says it's funding. I say it's hatred. If they're right, then their tactics make sense. If I'm right, then their tactics will only increase the long-term strength and recruiting power of terrorism.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2004-10-12 11:11am

You must be joking. Let me ask you this: what causes terrorism? Funding or hatred?

The Bush Administration says it's funding. I say it's hatred. If they're right, then their tactics make sense. If I'm right, then their tactics will only increase the long-term strength and recruiting power of terrorism.

The point is that the more you try an expand the size of an group the further you open yourself to identification

What is going on in Iraq right now is alot of discontent and every single middle east Terriorst group that ever even remtoely hated the US is running one hell of a recuitment drive in Iraq

Regardless of if its Funding or hatred that causes Terriorsm(I say that its Hate with Funding determining how big of an effect they have and how many like minded folks they can find)
You still need at the end of the day, you need bodys to do training, to aquire firearms and to on strap clothes made by Du'Pont

And to do all that you need fresh bodys, of which any country will have, but for any country were American ocupation is a real and preseant thing its much easier to find ADF's(Angrey Dumb Fuckers)

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-10-12 11:18am

So what's your argument then? That the massive recruitment of terrorists in Iraq is a good thing?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-10-12 11:23am

Durandal wrote:So what's your argument then? That the massive recruitment of terrorists in Iraq is a good thing?

Sounds like it

Though I would point out, that with this massive recruitment, there are more people for you to find, but if a cell system is used, they really cant tell you anything more, and there are still then more cells out there blowing shit up and being generally unpleasant.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-10-12 11:26am

Keevan_Colton wrote:
Durandal wrote:So what's your argument then? That the massive recruitment of terrorists in Iraq is a good thing?
Sounds like it

Though I would point out, that with this massive recruitment, there are more people for you to find, but if a cell system is used, they really cant tell you anything more, and there are still then more cells out there blowing shit up and being generally unpleasant.

Wait a second ...

So if I see a cockroach in my house, I should sit there and let it reproduce so that more of them spring up so that I have an easier time killing them?

Is everyone here really fucking stoned?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-10-12 11:32am

Durandal wrote: Wait a second ...

So if I see a cockroach in my house, I should sit there and let it reproduce so that more of them spring up so that I have an easier time killing them?

Is everyone here really fucking stoned?

The more I look through the history of journalism, the more I realize, people have been this fucking dumb since time immemorial. Stupidity is traditional!

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-10-12 01:44pm

Durandal wrote:Wait a second ...

So if I see a cockroach in my house, I should sit there and let it reproduce so that more of them spring up so that I have an easier time killing them?

Is everyone here really fucking stoned?

At this point, any wild-eyed rationalization for the conquest of Iraq is probably considered fair game by the pro-war set.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-10-12 03:19pm

Durandal wrote:Wait a second ...

So if I see a cockroach in my house, I should sit there and let it reproduce so that more of them spring up so that I have an easier time killing them?

Is everyone here really fucking stoned?

I just realized the flaw in my analogy. It's not indicative of right-wing logic or the effect the Iraq invasion has had on the War on Terror. The analogy should go ...

If I see a cockroach in my house, I should feed it so that it will grow and reproduce. Then I'll be able to locate and kill the cockroaches more easily.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-10-12 03:23pm

You guys are being absurd!!

There are victories that we don't hear about going on every day in this never ending war on terror.

Post by **weemadando** » 2004-10-12 08:25pm

Stravo wrote:You guys are being absurd!!

There are victories that we don't hear about going on every day in this never ending war on terror.

Yeah, I mean look at whats been achieved in Indonesia... The perpetrators of several bomb plots are resting in fucking 5 star gaol cells (you should see the pictures of them) awaiting their verdicts to be overturned because the anti-terror laws used to arrest them have been ruled illegal by the Indonesian courts.

Then of course there's the perfect expression of liberty and free-will that we see in Guantanamo Bay where those damn muslims are learning more and more reasons to love the US. And speaking of which, is there any chance at all that the Aussies there are actually going to get released for trial back home. David Hicks was at trial last I checked, but that sort of disappeared from the headlines after a few days.

And how can I forget the many victories being achieved in the name of the war on terror by nations like Macedonia (killing illegal immigrants, then saying: "They were terrorists, look at us aren't we good people"), Iran (where the pro-democracy advocates are now being pursued as "terrorists" by the gov't) or how about any of the various nations world-wide that are electing hardline right wing governments or hardline religious governments depending on the nations opinion on the War on Terror and ensuring that the cycle shall just keep on repeating...

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2004-10-12 09:30pm

Durandal wrote:So what's your argument then? That the massive recruitment of terrorists in Iraq is a good thing?

....Noooo I'm pointing out what is happening in Iraq is useful in trying to track down the upper ranks

You seem to be missing the point I'm trying to make about trying to work with what you got and less what if we did this

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-10-12 09:31pm

Somehow this all reminds me of Palpatine's plan for dealing with the Rebellion in ROTJ

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2004-10-12 09:47pm

Hell The Hell's Angels (yes, still classified as a domestic terrorist group), get buy with some low level drug dealing and illegal racing. The SDS/Weathermen had poverty outreach programs to show a good face, and still had shit for funding. The only well funded terrorist groups get their money from the USA (not suprising) If funding was a measure of effectiveness then the troubles in Ireland would be a hell of a lot worse.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-10-12 09:52pm

Mr Bean wrote:
Durandal wrote:So what's your argument then? That the massive recruitment of terrorists in Iraq is a good thing?
....Noooo I'm pointing out what is happening in Iraq is useful in trying to track down the upper ranks

You seem to be missing the point I'm trying to make about trying to work with what you got and less what if we did this

So you're basically the conservative on the cross singing "Always look on the bright side of life"?