John Ashcroft is not a Fundamentalist.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-11-09 09:11pm

He got off on a technicality. That is why I use the term "BHEFA" (bible-humping evangelical/fundamentalist asshat) rather than "fundie". I wouldn't want anyone to feel left out.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-11-09 09:52pm

does it matter? hess still a closet fascist.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-11-09 10:01pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:does it matter? hess still a closet fascist.

What closet? He's a naked, flaming fascist.

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2004-11-09 11:21pm

Fundamentalist isn't specific to a single sect. Why can't he be a pentecostal fundamentalist?

Captain Kruger · Post by **Captain Kruger** » 2004-11-09 11:40pm

How about Bible Nazi? I think that sums him up nicely.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-11-09 11:43pm

Seggybop wrote:Fundamentalist isn't specific to a single sect. Why can't he be a pentecostal fundamentalist?

Because he doesn't believe the Bible is literally true.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-10 12:56am

fgalkin wrote:
Seggybop wrote:Fundamentalist isn't specific to a single sect. Why can't he be a pentecostal fundamentalist?
Because he doesn't believe the Bible is literally true.

Every Pentecostal I ever knew believed that the Bible was literally true. Are you sure Pentecostals don't believe it's true?

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-11-10 01:06am

Yes.

Experience, rather than doctrine has often been noted as the principal determinant of Pentecostalism. There is no absolute consensus among all Pentecostals on doctrine or any other matter except for Spirit baptism and the practice of charismata (gifts of the Holy Spirit). However, among most American Pentecostal denominations, it is believed that the "initial evidence" of Spirit baptism is the manifestation of glossolalia or what is commonly referred to as speaking in tongues but there are also those that believe that any number of charismata may evidence the baptism. It is almost universally agreed upon by Pentecostals that "speaking in tongues" is a miraculous act in which a believer, with the aid of the Holy Spirit, speaks in a language without having knowledge of it.

However, it is the doctrine of "speaking in tongues" that separates Pentecostals from the Holiness [and even Methodist] groups it splintered off from, as well as from other mainline Christian denominations. After 1875, a branch of the Holiness movement (that would soon become Pentecostal) began to stress aspects of the "second blessing" which focused on an endowment of powerful anointing for those who tarried at the altars. Eventually they simply added to this established Holiness doctrine of the "second blessing", the baptism in the Holy Spirit, with glossolalia as initial evidence of a "third blessing." Many conventional Holiness churches named this new baptism "The Fire" and labeled it as fanaticism and heresy (Melton, 1993).

Similar to the other mainline, evangelical Christain denominations, Pentecostalism tends to adhere to most all of the other fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith. However, their inconsistency with Fundamentalists groups (such as Baptists and the Reformed) is in their understanding of the Holy Spirit baptism and gifts (tongues, miracles, etc.). Fundamentalists believe that the Holy Spirit baptism occurs at the onset of salvation, and that the gifts were given only to the Apostles and gradually ceased as the New Testament Scriptures were completed.

Minor differences, but differences nonetheless. Not to mention that the Fundamantalist movement is a separate denomination and has a distinct history. Besides, when a fundie sees someone speaking in tongues, he doesn't think: "god did this" he thinks: "OMG! He is poseesd by the devil!"

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-11-10 01:19am

Every Pentecostal I ever knew believed that the Bible was literally true. Are you sure Pentecostals don't believe it's true?

Huh, Mike... I'm Pentecostal. We have YECs and evolutionist churches, because we are not a tight centralized church, like some. We also have... disputes with the SBs.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-11-10 09:00am

Well, I know some people (relatives by marriage and others) who are Pentecostal, and they're all extremely fundamentalist. I find iIt's useless to discuss certain issues with those.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-11-10 09:04am

The ocean is not blue! It's turquoise!