Better name for Borg cubes

[Darth Wong]

I have noticed that the name "cube" often evokes a mental image of a solid cube. However, we have all observed that the inside of a cube is actually a cavernous hollow space.

Therefore, while "cube" is geometrically correct, it is also implicitly misleading. I move that a more accurate term for Borg cubes, given their "soft" structures and hollow construction, is "Borg cardboard box".

This helps visually illustrate matters: when someone points out that a Borg cube has greater volume than an ISD so it must be more powerful, you can point out that a cardboard box has far greater volume than an M-16. Or, when someone points out that a Borg cube would smash an ISD in a ramming attack, you can simply point out that it's like dropping a hundred-foot wide cardboard box on an M1 tank.

[Master of Ossus]

I have noticed that the name "cube" often evokes a mental image of a solid cube. However, we have all observed that the inside of a cube is actually a cavernous hollow space.

Therefore, while "cube" is geometrically correct, it is also implicitly misleading. I move that a more accurate term for Borg cubes, given their "soft" structures and hollow construction, is "Borg cardboard box".

This helps visually illustrate matters: when someone points out that a Borg cube has greater volume than an ISD so it must be more powerful, you can point out that a cardboard box has far greater volume than an M-16. Or, when someone points out that a Borg cube would smash an ISD in a ramming attack, you can simply point out that it's like dropping a hundred-foot wide cardboard box on an M1 tank.

I will remember the line and use it well.

[Shinova]

What's the percentage of emptiness of a Borg cube?

[Alyeska]

A small Borg scoutship (like the one Hugh was on) wheighs IIRC 1.5 million tonnes. I wonder just how much a full sized Borg ship weighs.

[Anarchist Bunny]

How about Borg Styrofoam Cube, sure it's solid, kinda, but I'd rather have cardboard armor than stryofoam.

[Alyeska]

What's the percentage of emptiness of a Borg cube?

Probably around 97%.

[Captain tycho]

Small wonder they fall apart like cardboard boxes.....

[Alyeska]

Small wonder they fall apart like cardboard boxes.....

An ISD is also 97% empty. Didn't you know that WW2 battleships were 97% empty? Thats standard for any naval craft.

[Darth Wong]

An ISD is also 97% empty. Didn't you know that WW2 battleships were 97% empty? Thats standard for any naval craft.

An ISD is not a naval craft, and it does not necessarily float on water, Alyeska. As for volume solidity, an ISD is obviously more solid than a Borg cube, since it has a heavily armoured external hull and lacks the gigantic interior cavity.

As for the 1.5 million ton figure, it assumes accurate detection of mass at multi-light year distances for ships in which they could not even detect the presence of weapons on first contact. We never directly saw this scout ship, nor did we see what Hugh's ship looked like before it was reduced to chunks (or do we assume that the chunk in which Hugh was found comprised the entire ship?). The only scout ship we ever saw was in "Descent", and that one was comparable in size to Enterprise, not to mention being vastly different from a Borg cardboard box in terms of construction.

[Alyeska]

An ISD is also 97% empty. Didn't you know that WW2 battleships were 97% empty? Thats standard for any naval craft.

An ISD is not a naval craft, and it does not necessarily float on water, Alyeska. As for volume solidity, an ISD is obviously more solid than a Borg cube, since it has a heavily armoured external hull and lacks the gigantic interior cavity.

As for the 1.5 million ton figure, it assumes accurate detection of mass at multi-light year distances for ships in which they could not even detect the presence of weapons on first contact. We never directly saw this scout ship, nor did we see what Hugh's ship looked like before it was reduced to chunks (or do we assume that the chunk in which Hugh was found comprised the entire ship?). The only scout ship we ever saw was in "Descent", and that one was comparable in size to Enterprise, not to mention being vastly different from a Borg cardboard box in terms of construction.

We do have Hugh's statement that he was of a five man crew. Kinda odd to be sending a MASSIVE ship without much of a crew. Then there is the fact that the chunk we saw had all 5 drones from the ship. I highly doubt the Borg scout cube was much larger then a 15 meter craft.

[Howedar]

We also saw a small Borg vessel (presumably a scout) in a Voyager episode. It looked like a giant green and gray photon torpedo, and was destroyed when Voyager beamed a photorp into its engine room (apparently its shields were down).

[Wicked Pilot]

While not call them "Borg Coffins".

[Typhonis 1]

Piece of crap has a nice ring to it

[Isolder74]

I have noticed that the name "cube" often evokes a mental image of a solid cube. However, we have all observed that the inside of a cube is actually a cavernous hollow space.

Therefore, while "cube" is geometrically correct, it is also implicitly misleading. I move that a more accurate term for Borg cubes, given their "soft" structures and hollow construction, is "Borg cardboard box".

This helps visually illustrate matters: when someone points out that a Borg cube has greater volume than an ISD so it must be more powerful, you can point out that a cardboard box has far greater volume than an M-16. Or, when someone points out that a Borg cube would smash an ISD in a ramming attack, you can simply point out that it's like dropping a hundred-foot wide cardboard box on an M1 tank.

How about the Galactic Rubic's Cube? It always seems to be desroyed by some puzzle or other.

[Damaramu]

Borg Death Box

[Howedar]

Borg Cardboard Box is kinda long. How about just Borg Box?

[Isolder74]

Borg Cardboard Box is kinda long. How about just Borg Box?

Sounds like a fighting style

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Borg Cardboard Box is kinda long. How about just Borg Box?

I prefer Borg marshmallow myself. I mean, a marshmallow is mostly square-ish and is made up principally of empty space. Much like a Borg cube. Or maybe a Borg styrofoam brick. Except a 3.04 km wide styrofoam brick would probably be able to take more damage than a Borg cube. For that matter, the marshmallow would probably do better. At least the marshmallow would develop tough carbonized armor in response to being shot at.

[Daimyo]

Just think about it:

The Feds beat on the the Borg ship and it takes damage and parts collapse like squeezing a sponge. However, if given a chance to recuperate, "poof" it pops back into it's original shape!

It also has advantages about describing their whole philosophy - they assimilate cultures/tech like a sponge soaks up water!

Hmmm, maybe we will be seeing Nerf(tm) Cubes coming this Holiday season?

[KhyronTheBackstabber]

How about big, easy target that even First Class Gunner Asshole could hit.

A gunner would have to be blind,retarded, and useing his nose on the fire controlls to miss a cube.

[Isolder74]

How about big, easy target that even First Class Gunner Asshole could hit.

A gunner would have to be blind,retarded, and useing his nose on the fire controlls to miss a cube.

The Guys in SpaceBalls Might Miss

[Stuart Mackey]

Given displayed Borg strategic and tactical abilities, Borg Targets should cover it.

[VF5SS]

Well if you remember that one size comparison picture where the Death Star One (really big black dot) is looming over a Borg Cube (small black square) I suggest that the new name for a Borg Cube will be THE LITTLE BLACK SQUARE THAT MUST FEAR THE DOTNESS OF THE GIANT BLACK DOT! Has a nice ring to it, wouldn't you say?

[Robert Walper]

I have noticed that the name "cube" often evokes a mental image of a solid cube. However, we have all observed that the inside of a cube is actually a cavernous hollow space.

True enough...and I find it quite humorous when someone points out just how hollow a Borg cube is and then in the same sentence says they are horribly unpowered for their size, when the fact that cubes are virtualy hollow indicates their true size is far smaller than the impression given. If we assume a Borg cube's true "solidity" is only 20%(with 22.4 cubic kilometers of nothing, that should satisfy hollow impressions), then we have a 600m cubical vessel that can slaughter 40 Federation ships without breaking a sweat, and apparently alot more as seen in ST:FC.

Therefore, while "cube" is geometrically correct, it is also implicitly misleading. I move that a more accurate term for Borg cubes, given their "soft" structures and hollow construction, is "Borg cardboard box".

A carboard box with a hull that can withstand multimegaton blasts, going by your own figures Mr. Wong. My lower limit for Borg hull density is 6506.35 metric tons per cubic meter based upon evidence from ST:TNG "I, Borg". And let's not say that I assume this is effective with the entire Borg ship...I did specify hull.

Going by a visual image of the scout vessel seen in ST:TNG "I, Borg", I estimate approximately 384.36 cubic meters of volume for the scout ship. The vessel we saw crashed actually seemed relatively intact, and the entire crew was within six meters of each other, so I'll dismiss any massive scout ship propaganda until effctively countered.

Also, it seems comletely unreasonable to conclude a Borg scout ship would be far more armored than a Borg cube, the apparent backbone of the Borg's offensive and defensive fleets.

This helps visually illustrate matters: when someone points out that a Borg cube has greater volume than an ISD so it must be more powerful, you can point out that a cardboard box has far greater volume than an M-16. Or, when someone points out that a Borg cube would smash an ISD in a ramming attack, you can simply point out that it's like dropping a hundred-foot wide cardboard box on an M1 tank.

Since you've provided no basis on the hull density of Borg cubes in comparison to ISDs, your analogy is very unreliable from my view.

[Robert Walper]

Note: apology to any concerned, but my internet time is extremely limited, otherwise I'd go into further detail and with alot more evidence...I'm currently stuck to short bursts of internet time between work and a faulty internet connection...