Why don't jedi fly?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-08-01 12:58pm

Flying, which is essentially massive usage of telekinesis on oneself, is mentioned in several novels. However, such a force power would be extremely draining on most Jedi, and thus would not be used unless absolutely necissary.

gizmojumpjet · Post by **gizmojumpjet** » 2005-08-01 01:12pm

hilaryduff wrote:
Noble Ire wrote:Flying, which is essentially massive usage of telekinesis on oneself, is mentioned in several novels. However, such a force power would be extremely draining on most Jedi, and thus would not be used unless absolutely necissary.
Third party novels are considered canon now? And where is it stated that telekisis on oneself would be extremly draining compared to other force powers?

Short of copyright infringment, I don't think there's any such thing as a "third party" Star Wars novel...

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-08-01 01:16pm

hilaryduff wrote:
Noble Ire wrote:Flying, which is essentially massive usage of telekinesis on oneself, is mentioned in several novels. However, such a force power would be extremely draining on most Jedi, and thus would not be used unless absolutely necissary.
Third party novels are considered canon now? And where is it stated that telekisis on oneself would be extremly draining compared to other force powers?

If you mean EU novels, then yes, they are canon. Look here for more detailed info on the subject: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Misc/Canon.html

As for the source, it was mentioned by Ganner Rhysode in NJO book Dark Tide: Onslaught.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-01 01:16pm

hilaryduff wrote:
Noble Ire wrote:Flying, which is essentially massive usage of telekinesis on oneself, is mentioned in several novels. However, such a force power would be extremely draining on most Jedi, and thus would not be used unless absolutely necissary.
Third party novels are considered canon now? And where is it stated that telekisis on oneself would be extremly draining compared to other force powers?

Since the SW Marvel comics....anything with Lucasfilm approval is considered official. Canon is determined whether or not it contradicts what is in either the movies first or the novelizations of the movie....then goes through a hierarchy of technical manuals(such as the Incredible Cross sections) and so on.

And consider that telekinesis can be draining to Jedi in the movies, and the inference is easy to surmise.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-08-01 01:25pm

hilaryduff wrote:Jedi use force telekinesis on themselves all the time and show no signs of stress or fatigue. Is this just an excuse for Lucas to put pretty green lizards and speeder bikes into the movies for eye candy?

I see, you care to point out in the movies where they expend this amount of energy in application lasting for more then a few seconds?

We see Speed burst, TK being applied to cusion blows, and applied to other objects, but nothing sustainable(and the most we see are for at most a couple minutes and the only being shown appreciable ability were Yoda and Palpatine, arguably the greatest practioners of their particular art.)...and the Jedi doing these feats are more then the average Jedi.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-08-01 01:27pm

hilaryduff wrote:Jedi use force telekinesis on themselves all the time and show no signs of stress or fatigue. Is this just an excuse for Lucas to put pretty green lizards and speeder bikes into the movies for eye candy?

Umm...
For the first point, in ESB, Yoda is quite obviously physically exahusted after he lifts Luke's X-Wing. As for the second, what does that have to do with anything?

gizmojumpjet · Post by **gizmojumpjet** » 2005-08-01 02:13pm

hilaryduff wrote:Jedi use force telekinesis on themselves all the time and show no signs of stress or fatigue. Is this just an excuse for Lucas to put pretty green lizards and speeder bikes into the movies for eye candy?

Yoda certainly appeared stressed and fatigued after his fight with Dooko near the end of AotC. As well, he was clearly stressed and fatigued after his duel with Sidious in the Senate Chamber near the end of RotS.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 02:32pm

I suppose a Jedi could personally "Levitate" but not actually fly...

Darth Revan is seen levitating a few feet off the floor in Knights of the Old Republic while meditating.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-08-01 02:34pm

I believe Mace Windu flies in the Clone Wars cartoon, but I don't think that really counts.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-01 02:36pm

Dakarne wrote:I suppose a Jedi could personally "Levitate" but not actually fly...

Darth Revan is seen levitating a few feet off the floor in Knights of the Old Republic while meditating.

first of it's mere Revan at that point and (Darth) Revan is one of the most powerfull Jedi of his/her time (the Prodigal Knight stuff Vandar says in the light side ending is no joke).

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 02:41pm

I didn't like the Lightside Ending...

and I know it was "Mere" Revan (though nothing could actually be "Mere" about him/her)

Revan is not really the Prodical Knight, s/he's more like the "Greywalker"...

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-01 02:51pm

Dakarne wrote:I didn't like the Lightside Ending...

irrelevant, it's the canon ending

and I know it was "Mere" Revan (though nothing could actually be "Mere" about him/her)

Revan is not really the Prodical Knight, s/he's more like the "Greywalker"...

Revan could retrain himself/herself from nothing to a level that (s)he able to defeat Darth Malak in weeks at most and keep to light side, so his/her skills and abilities are quite impressive.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 02:59pm

What I meant is, Revan doesn't seem to suit a Lightside ending via personality alone.

And yes, Revan could probably have beaten Sidious, Maul, Vader and Dooku at once...

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-08-01 03:25pm

Dakarne wrote:What I meant is, Revan doesn't seem to suit a Lightside ending via personality alone.

His/her personality is what you make it.

And yes, Revan could probably have beaten Sidious, Maul, Vader and Dooku at once...

How could you possibly reach that conclusion? Doubtlessly, s/he was very powerful, but there is no quantification of his actual power outside of game mechanics.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 03:31pm

How could you possibly reach that conclusion? Doubtlessly, s/he was very powerful, but there is no quantification of his actual power outside of game mechanics.

D20 System rules for each of the Afformentioned characters, and I was actually thinking of the Jedi Exile (KotOR2 Main Character) my mistake

He/she reaches Level 50 (possible by exploiting a bug)

Dooku, Vader, Maul and Sidious never reach larger than Level 20 according to the Official Star Wars Roleplaying Suppliments...

So, maybe not Revan, but the Jedi Exile could surely.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-01 03:39pm

Dakarne wrote:
How could you possibly reach that conclusion? Doubtlessly, s/he was very powerful, but there is no quantification of his actual power outside of game mechanics.
D20 System rules for each of the Afformentioned characters, and I was actually thinking of the Jedi Exile (KotOR2 Main Character) my mistake

He/she reaches Level 50 (possible by exploiting a bug)

Dooku, Vader, Maul and Sidious never reach larger than Level 20 according to the Official Star Wars Roleplaying Suppliments...

So, maybe not Revan, but the Jedi Exile could surely.

that's game mechanics and thus non-canon (the only thing we know about Revan's powers that's canon is that could survive a salvo from a Sith cruiser (with Bastila's help(also the fact the salvo hit bridge and not Revan directly is important) and was powerfull for his/her time and IIRC we know even less about the Exile.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 03:49pm

It wasn't really meant to be taken seriously as Revan isn't a "Canon" character and only appears in the Games, though someone should novelize KotOR.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-01 03:51pm

Dakarne wrote:It wasn't really meant to be taken seriously as Revan isn't a "Canon" character and only appears in the Games, though someone should novelize KotOR.

Revan is as canon as every other EU character (only Game mechanics are non-canon)

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 03:52pm

Yes... but his true abilities would arise if his story were Novelised...

I do think it's safe to say that Revan is stronger than Most of the Jedi in the PT era... since he's not suffering from the "Shroud of the Darkside" and he routinely has to deal with Force Adept, Lightsabre Wielding enemies

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-01 03:54pm

Dakarne wrote:Yes... but his true abilities would arise if his story were Novelised...

I do think it's safe to say that Revan is stronger than Most of the Jedi in the PT era... since he's not suffering from the "Shroud of the Darkside" and he routinely has to deal with Force Adept, Lightsabre Wielding enemies

so did Kyle Katarn (the Reborn from JO and JA)

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 03:56pm

so did Kyle Katarn (the Reborn from JO and JA)

PT=Prequel Trilogy

I never said anything about Post-RotJ.

The Prequel Trilogy had Jedi who hadn't even seen a Sith Before...

They were penny-a-dozen in KotOR.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-01 04:07pm

KOTOR dark adepts are not that impressive, as the Reborns are also not that impressive. (and I know what PT means).

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 04:15pm

Yes... but it's a not-very-impressive Dark Adept more than Any of the Prequel Jedi had ever seen (pre-Maul)

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-08-01 04:18pm

Dakarne wrote:Yes... but it's a not-very-impressive Dark Adept more than Any of the Prequel Jedi had ever seen (pre-Maul)

wrong there always gonna be few fallen Jedi, so PT have exprerience with Force users, but no as skilled as the PT Sith.

Dakarne · Post by **Dakarne** » 2005-08-01 04:25pm

wrong there always gonna be few fallen Jedi, so PT have exprerience with Force users, but no as skilled as the PT Sith.

Yeah, the Sith rule, to a point.

The only path I'd go down is Grey... it's free of both Dogma and Evil.