Predictions from Creation Science

[Dooey Jo]

Okay, we all know how the creationists want to be treated as the proponents of a scientific theory, so let's find out what would happen if we did just that.

One of the more ludicrous predictions that comes from their "theory", must be that, if complexity cannot form (as per the 2nd law of thermodynamics of course), then it should be impossible for a single cell to grow into a human baby, because that obviously increases complexity, as defined by creationists.

And the "vapour canopy" idea, that predicts that prior to the flood, everything must have been very dark because of the large amounts of water in the atmosphere (or rather, above).


But what other interesting predictions can we draw from this highly scientific theory of theirs? You can derive prediction from all forms of creationism, such as YECism and ID (but preferably not really wacky ideas, like the Earth is a giant turtle, unless there is a really fun prediction to be drawn from that (which might be that the Earth has a gigantic turtle penis hidden somewhere... I feel that I digress)).

Discuss, damnit!

[Zero]

If you're talking about creationists as in.. those crazies who believe the bible is 100% accurate, then one prediction ought to be that there ought to be no pathogens or parasites that are absolutely native to the human body that are lethal, being as there was once only one man to contain these pathogens/parasites. one thing to watch for is, if you follow the bible literally, God occasionally puts a plague on people of the world, so pathogens may be less reliable for this prediction then parasites would be.

Another ought to be that dust in the ground contains the correct material at least in their most basic form by which you could produce a full-grown man.

Also, genetics ought to show that we all share 2 common human ancestors in the past appearing at about the same time. Mitochondrial DNA is good at tracking matrilineage, and don't they use Y chromosome stuffs to figure out patrilineage? The arisal of the first male and female human ought to be at the same point in time if the bible's creation myth is to be believed.

Those any good?

[Superman]

it should be impossible for a single cell to grow into a human baby, because that obviously increases complexity, as defined by creationists.

If they were playing by the rules of reality, then yes, your statement would be correct. All they need to do, however, is say something to the effect of "God zapped it that way."

[Zero]

Claiming that order can't increase isn't crucial to creationism itself, just to it's 'arguments' against evolution. I don't see why that would be a prediction in and of itself, so much as a byproduct of creationism's crusade against evolution.

[wolveraptor]

Fish are not affected by salinity levels, as is evidenced by the fact that they were largely killed off by the flood. Primitive creatures also have bones denser than stone and metal, which is why bronze weapons and ancient flint axes are found above them in geologic formations.

[Dooey Jo]

Claiming that order can't increase isn't crucial to creationism itself, just to it's 'arguments' against evolution. I don't see why that would be a prediction in and of itself, so much as a byproduct of creationism's crusade against evolution.

Ah, but isn't creationism's crusade against evolution a crucial part of creationism itself?

Maybe I should have been even more specific, to include all creationist claims which have predictive capabilities, or implications.

If they were playing by the rules of reality, then yes, your statement would be correct. All they need to do, however, is say something to the effect of "God zapped it that way."

Yes, but then you reply to that with "Oh, but I thought you had a scientific theory". The creationists themselves never seem to get what that means, but at least it's good for a few laughs...

[Surlethe]

Somewhere in the vicinity of the Earth, there is a whole fuckload of water. Somewhere. Hiding.

[Rye]

Grass should appear in the same geological record levels as dinosaurs, as well as the first form of vegetation.

[Guardsman Bass]

If we are operating on the "continents go down, then up" creationist idea, then all the continents should show the experience of being run over and ravaged by titanic sea tidal waves about 4500 years ago

[mr friendly guy]

If we are operating on the "continents go down, then up" creationist idea, then all the continents should show the experience of being run over and ravaged by titanic sea tidal waves about 4500 years ago

[Creationist]

But don't you know, the Grand Canyon was formed by the great flood (insert lack of explanation on mechanisms here).[/Creationist]

Repeat the statement in the form of a question like Can't the Grand Canyon be formed as a result of a great flood, then declare victory.

[Zero]

Ah, but isn't creationism's crusade against evolution a crucial part of creationism itself?

Maybe I should have been even more specific, to include all creationist claims which have predictive capabilities, or implications.

Creationism is seen by us rational folk as the denial of science, but to them, it's merely an affirmation of the bible. This is what it must be treated as. If you work with any claim that creationists make, they'll just start denying that these claims are central to creationism itself, and in many ways, they'd be right. Focus on what the implications of biblical literalism would be, not on the practical effects of various creationist claims on the world. This is the way to prove the bloody thing wrong.

Oh, and my earlier claim about Y-chromosomal Adam and mitochondrial Eve appearing around the same time is wrong, since enough people could have died off since then that the two would not have to be the original Adam and Eve. However, the two still ought to have appeared in the last 6000 years or so.

Another scientific prediction of creationism ought to be that we shouldn't be able to see objects outside of about 6000 light years yet, since the light hasn't had time since the universe began to actually get here.

Another would be that geographic isolation ought have no effect on the uniqueness of creatures found there. Australia, for example, ought to have much the same creatures as found in North and South America, Europe, Africa, and Asia. In fact, all ecosystems at similar latitudes ought to have the same creatures within them.

Another would be that all organisms in the world and enough food for each for 2 months ought to fit in 41000 cubic meters. As well, a wooden ship of this size ought to be able to float for two months with few to no problems, even while carrying such a heavy load.

Every society ought to have been absolutely eradicated 4000-5000 years back.

Since God was worried about man building a tower tall enough to reach heaven, airplanes, skyscrapers, and all missions into space ought to fail, be struck down by God, or reach heaven.

In genesis, upon eating the apple, Adam and Eve were immediately ashamed at their nakedness. This would imply that all people ought be ashamed of nakedness, despite cultural and social influences.

[wolveraptor]

Water, when thrown over an area, can magically organize sediments into distinct layers based on mineral composition.

[Tasoth]

We'll find a tablet written in some unknown language on a dig site for some very ancient bones. Later, we'll find out it's a 'gotcha!' note from god explaining how he planted all the bones of the dinosaurs as a practical joke.