The difference between Stargate and Stargate:SG-1?

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2002-12-12 01:20pm

I was realaxing at home one night, when I caught Stargate GG1, I had no idea what was going on, could someone inform me what the difference between the movie and the TV show is?

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2002-12-12 01:43pm

Stargate SG-1 ia a continuation of the movie , the series starts about a year after the end of the movie. Col. O'Neal is brought out of retirement to lead an expedition through the Stargate to investigate an incident where aliens came through and attacked the Stargate researchers. at this time Earth thinks that the only termini for the gate is Abadyos, the planet visited in the film. O'neal and a team go through to find Daniel Jackson still living among the people of Abadyos, while there Jackson has found an alien "code" room near Ra's pyramid with the co-ordinate codes for thousands upon thousands of other Stargates, some of which lead to other worlds ruled by beings like Ra out of the first film, his people now known as the Gou'auld System Lords. Long story short, the US gov't decides that it is in the best intrests of earth to explore the worlds beyond the gate and to see if they pose a threat to Earth, or if there are allies out there aginst the Gou'auld.

If you have specific questions please ask , its easier than recounting the whole show

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2002-12-12 02:35pm

Its a pretty good show...

It shows a lot more common sense and 'realism' than most modern sci-fi shows...

I like it...

BenRG · Post by **BenRG** » 2002-12-12 04:19pm

I have two points to make on this topic.

Firstly, a quote from Sev Trek about Stargate SG-1: "Join the SGC. Explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilisations. Then Swiss-cheese them with your MP5, because we don't have a Prime Directive."

Secondly, in 'Stargate' the movie, the aliens were some kind of psychic or energy-based life form. In SG-1, they are a 'puppetmaster'-style physical alien that most resembles a Lamprey. I also think that it is established in 'Stargate' that Ra is the last of his kind, while in SG-1, there is an entire panthenon of Gou'ald System Lords out there.

Still, I love the Gou'ald battlecruisers and the Asgard Federation's technology too.

Does anyone agree that the 'Replicators' are far more effective a sci-fi villain than the Borg?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-12 04:33pm

BenRG wrote:I have two points to make on this topic.

Firstly, a quote from Sev Trek about Stargate SG-1: "Join the SGC. Explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilisations. Then Swiss-cheese them with your MP5, because we don't have a Prime Directive."

Secondly, in 'Stargate' the movie, the aliens were some kind of psychic or energy-based life form. In SG-1, they are a 'puppetmaster'-style physical alien that most resembles a Lamprey. I also think that it is established in 'Stargate' that Ra is the last of his kind, while in SG-1, there is an entire panthenon of Gou'ald System Lords out there.

Still, I love the Gou'ald battlecruisers and the Asgard Federation's technology too.

Does anyone agree that the 'Replicators' are far more effective a sci-fi villain than the Borg?

The last of his kind thing can be interpreted in different ways I think.

And there was a discussion of the Replicators before and it was determined that they are better than the Borg. However, they do have a weakspot which has been exploited in the show. I will not spoil it by saying what it is though.

Oh and like many shows, a lot of the cultures shown seen to be able to speak English, despite them originating in places that wouldn't have spoken English. Just a little nitpick I have with the show, though it just has to do with it being a show.

Oh, and Stargate SG-1 got renewed last month for a seventh season, so yay.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-12-12 04:44pm

BenRG wrote:Does anyone agree that the 'Replicators' are far more effective a sci-fi villain than the Borg?

The Cyclons, the Daleks, and the Cybermen are all more effective sci-fi villians then the Borg.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-12 04:53pm

The Borg only ever worked as villains in TNG. They where just stupid for Voyager.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2002-12-12 04:53pm

BenRG wrote:Secondly, in 'Stargate' the movie, the aliens were some kind of psychic or energy-based life form. In SG-1, they are a 'puppetmaster'-style physical alien that most resembles a Lamprey. I also think that it is established in 'Stargate' that Ra is the last of his kind, while in SG-1, there is an entire panthenon of Gou'ald System Lords out there.

The aliens aren't energy-based lifeform, they are real aliens. In the Director's Cut DVD they show a few more minutes of footage, and we see a little more about them, not much more though. Ra was pissed with Daniel and started to show it's true form, and yeah, it was alien alright.

Too bad they didn't do a sequel, but then again, we had SG-1... With it's anti-Prime Directive attitude:
"What, we can't get inside? Break out the C-4!"

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-12 05:00pm

I would just like to mention that the Prime Directive wouldn't exactly apply in this situation. Most of the people that the SG teams meet are originally from Earth. The others tend to be more advanced. As such it would be the equivalent of saying that you couldn't go to Africa or South America because some of the natives are less advanced than you and you might contaminate their culture.

Besides, the fact that they are human means that their culture has been already contaminated by the Gou'ald.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-12-12 05:01pm

SG1 is a professional Fan Fiction. Continuity with the film is NOT maintained and you really should consider them more as two different universes since everything is different. The best continuation of the MOVIE universe is the novel universe. I urge you StarGate fans to get the novels.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-12-12 06:46pm

I really don't love SG1 all that much. Personally I thought a Trilogy would have worked soo much better, but thanks to Cutthroat Island, that idea was shot down. SG1 is ok at best IMO. I seem to be the only one who thinks this.

Post by **Dalton** » 2002-12-12 08:30pm

I enjoy Stargate SG-1. While there are a lot of odd discontinuities with the movie (The form of the Goa'uld and the range of the Stargate - in the movie it takes them across the *universe* and not just the galaxy) it's also got some great internal continuity and Michael Shanks looks a lot like James Spader.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-12-12 08:35pm

Hooligan, i feel the same way. i dont like SG too terribly much. its a good fanstory but its not gate.

dalton: the quote is quite literally "on the other side of the known universe" which is something like a billion billion lightyears :p when you think that Ra's empire went from earth to nagada, that would make it one of the largest scifi empires (possibly). doesnt Xeelee contain a universe spanning empire?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-12 09:09pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:I really don't love SG1 all that much. Personally I thought a Trilogy would have worked soo much better, but thanks to Cutthroat Island, that idea was shot down. SG1 is ok at best IMO. I seem to be the only one who thinks this.

How did Cutthroat Island shoot down the idea for a trilogy?

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2002-12-12 09:23pm

neoolong wrote:
THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:I really don't love SG1 all that much. Personally I thought a Trilogy would have worked soo much better, but thanks to Cutthroat Island, that idea was shot down. SG1 is ok at best IMO. I seem to be the only one who thinks this.
How did Cutthroat Island shoot down the idea for a trilogy?

Well, by 1995-96 Carolco/Orion/Live Entertainment spent a shitload of money on Cuttthroat Island and when it bombed, it bankrupted the entire company, that's why there was a delay in getting Terminator 3 and some other sequels out there (or a stop to them all together) Stargate was owned by that company, so no Stagate 2 or 3.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-12-12 11:23pm

AFAIK, SG was owned by Artisan and Le Studio Canal.

ClaysGhost · Post by **ClaysGhost** » 2002-12-13 05:18am

kojikun wrote: dalton: the quote is quite literally "on the other side of the known universe" which is something like a billion billion lightyears :p when you think that Ra's empire went from earth to nagada, that would make it one of the largest scifi empires (possibly). doesnt Xeelee contain a universe spanning empire?

I thought they also said that the gate destination was a hundred thousand lightyears away. Apart from the fact that their daft coordinate system wouldn't work that far out, that's not really the other side of the known universe anyway.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-13 06:50am

Hey, the SG-1 series has somehow managed to keep it's self interesting after seven seasons, and maintains good continuity. I'm just rying to figure out whose harder to kill Apothis or Krychek, or if in a screwy Stargate: NIB X-Files crossover Apothis managed to take Krychek as a host, could anything kill them?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-12-13 09:21am

no they never gave coordinates or distance. the only "measurement" was some fictional galaxy (callium or however they spelled it)

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-12-13 09:24am

no they never gave coordinates or distance. the only "measurement" was some fictional galaxy (callium or however they spelled it)

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2002-12-13 09:25am

double post. someone fix.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » 2002-12-16 10:59pm

BenRG wrote:I have two points to make on this topic.

Secondly, in 'Stargate' the movie, the aliens were some kind of psychic or energy-based life form. In SG-1, they are a 'puppetmaster'-style physical alien that most resembles a Lamprey. I also think that it is established in 'Stargate' that Ra is the last of his kind, while in SG-1, there is an entire panthenon of Gou'ald System Lords out there.

The thing about that is, Ra was the last of his kind, so all the Gou'ald you see now are descendents of Ra. Least thats the way I got it.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-17 12:16am

Falcon wrote:
BenRG wrote:I have two points to make on this topic.

Secondly, in 'Stargate' the movie, the aliens were some kind of psychic or energy-based life form. In SG-1, they are a 'puppetmaster'-style physical alien that most resembles a Lamprey. I also think that it is established in 'Stargate' that Ra is the last of his kind, while in SG-1, there is an entire panthenon of Gou'ald System Lords out there.
The thing about that is, Ra was the last of his kind, so all the Gou'ald you see now are descendents of Ra. Least thats the way I got it.

It can be interpreted different ways. You could also say that Ra was the last of the larger Lords while everyone else doesn't control as much territory.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-12-17 11:48pm

SG1 is a good show, but here is what I think is a rather large plot annoyance:
Stargate the movie: Abydos is in the Kalium galaxy, on the other side of the known universe.

Contradictions:
SG1 Children of the Gods: Abydos is the closest 'gate to Earth.
SG1 The Fifth Race: An 8th chevron is required to go to 'gates outside the galaxy.
Therefore, Abydos is a planet close to Earth inside our galaxy.

It just annoys me.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » 2002-12-18 01:41am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Hey, the SG-1 series has somehow managed to keep it's self interesting after seven seasons, and maintains good continuity.

The reason it has such a good fan base.

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