Evangelion & The Culture

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2002-12-19 03:56am

What would be the Ramifications, if any, if the Culture came up against Evangelion Unit One (Full Berserker, Shinji @ 400% synchronization)

Looking for people who know more about the Culture than I do to tell me what they would use to stop a rampaging Unit 1 or what would happen to the Culture if a Third-Impact style cataclysm occured...

I'd be happy to fill in any Eva info I can if need be

The_Nice_Guy · Post by **The_Nice_Guy** » 2002-12-19 04:49am

There're very few things which can stop the Culture.

I say the Culture takes it. After all, they're a galactic civilization.

The Nice Guy

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2002-12-19 05:26am

Its not just a battle between the two, and its hard to just say "The Culture wins every time" to everything without giving a real reason.

Hell the SW Galaxy is technically a galactic civilization and they probably wouldn't win.

Evangelion Unit 1's powers aren't just scientific in nature either, evident when it was used to turn the world into LCL.

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-12-19 05:57am

It wasn't so much Unit-01 that turned everyone into LCL, it was the Lilith & Rei combo which made people turn into yellow-orange puddles.

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2002-12-19 06:09am

Because of the famous 180GW quote, we know that the AT Field is WEAK.
If the Culture wanted to kill it there would be no contest. Actually, if the USA wanted to kill it, we could to pretty easily. The only reason there was such a hard time fighting angels in the series was that the military was tricked and manipulated by SEELE

Rathark · Post by **Rathark** » 2002-12-19 06:09am

This really depends upon how much of the universe is affected by the Third Impact. Is it only a localized event, restricted to Earth and the surrounding region? If so, then the Culture Minds (recalling info from UoW and a few online sources, including this one) would be rather interested in what is going on, but probably would not view it as a threat if they are viewing from a safe distance.

If they did feel threatened, they would probably gridfire the entire region.

Cosmic Average · Post by **Cosmic Average** » 2002-12-19 11:28am

Seggybop wrote:Because of the famous 180GW quote, we know that the AT Field is WEAK.

Actually, each AT-field is unique and variable in strength.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-19 11:43am

Seggybop wrote:Because of the famous 180GW quote, we know that the AT Field is WEAK.

AT Fields vary in strength. They estimated that THAT particualr AT field needed 180GW. Also, in episode 24, they detect the "Most powerful AT Field recroded"

That being said, the Culture is capable of delivering the insane amounts of energy to destroy an AT field. The only things that could stop the Culture is if
1) The Instrumentality Effect covers the entire universe. VERY unlikely.
2) The events protrayed in Episodes 25/26 and End of Evangelion are events as they LITERALLY happen, and not symbolic. This one is merely somewhat unlikely.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-19 11:43am

Eva 01 during Third Impact is God. Merged with Lilith, it is virtually unstoppable, and would nullify every AT Field.

Eva wins.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2002-12-19 12:24pm

Yogi wrote:
Seggybop wrote:Because of the famous 180GW quote, we know that the AT Field is WEAK.
AT Fields vary in strength. They estimated that THAT particualr AT field needed 180GW. Also, in episode 24, they detect the "Most powerful AT Field recroded"

The cultrure doesnt have to overwhlem it by brute force(which isnt that much), but by just displacing stuff inside the AT field. Got to love wormholes, point-to-point trasfer without traveling the realspace distance between the points

That being said, the Culture is capable of delivering the insane amounts of energy to destroy an AT field. The only things that could stop the Culture is if
1) The Instrumentality Effect covers the entire universe. VERY unlikely.

Doesnt matter if it effects the entire universe, Culture ships are often in hyperspace which is a seperate universe to our own(IIRC Each level of hyperspace is a different universe in the Culture).

Stormin · Post by **Stormin** » 2002-12-19 01:05pm

Well the culture would probably do what they usualy do with beserk civilisations that are weaker than them, send in SC to fix it internaly.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-19 04:27pm

And if things really get ugly, then some of the Culture sublime.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2002-12-19 08:26pm

No need, the culture minds are often compaired to gods, as they can, in HUB and GSV forms control and do balistics of 10s of thousands of asteriods and so on in a system while holding billions of conversations. Some other civilization or person in that species or civilization was angry at the fact that culture ships took silly names, and demanded that they pick names with gravitas. Afterward names like Zero Gravitas, What Gravitas, and No Gravitas. Basically they're all silly gods.
There are plenty of ways to get through this AT field, displacers, nanoholes(I've yet to see faith that could stop a black hole), AM weapons, or just use a maniple field and drag the thing kicking and screaming into the corona of the sun.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-19 08:46pm

The Culture is especially non-vulnerable since the 3rd Impact is human specific. Actual 'Humans' aren't in charge of anything important in the Culture.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2002-12-19 09:21pm

After further review I'd have to say that a completely Berserk Evangelion Unit 1 would be more than a match for any of the Culture's weapons since the Eva seemingly transcends technology but the Culture would still win on the grounds that it wouldn't necessairly have to destroy the Eva.

I'm sure they could conjure up some kind of tech to warp it into some other dimension or what not if they don't have it already

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-19 11:38pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:After further review I'd have to say that a completely Berserk Evangelion Unit 1 would be more than a match for any of the Culture's weapons since the Eva seemingly transcends technology but the Culture would still win on the grounds that it wouldn't necessairly have to destroy the Eva.

BWAHAHAHAHAH!

Now please provide the evidence you have to back this considering the best we've seen the Fully synced unit-01 do was eat Zeruel. Wow yipee that's certainly going to make it immune to a black hole displaced into the entry plug.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2002-12-19 11:46pm

I'd have to give this one to the Culture... Evas are powerful, but even they can't match against the Culture. As stated before, the only way they could win is to initiate the Third Impact. As much as I love Eva, I think the Culture would win.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-19 11:54pm

And third impact wouldn't do jack to affect the culture's war-making ability as it's a human specific event. Sure all the true humans will end up turning into tang once their AT fields are removed, but the Minds, and non-humans in the Culture won't be affected in the slightest.

Stormin · Post by **Stormin** » 2002-12-20 01:36pm

SylasGaunt wrote:And third impact wouldn't do jack to affect the culture's war-making ability as it's a human specific event. Sure all the true humans will end up turning into tang once their AT fields are removed, but the Minds, and non-humans in the Culture won't be affected in the slightest.

Consider also that, biologicaly speaking, culture humans are not truely human. forgetting the fact that they never evolved on earth, the gen-modifications would probably render them immune to human-specific weapons.

Shadowhawk · Post by **Shadowhawk** » 2002-12-20 03:04pm

I'm sure they could conjure up some kind of tech to warp it into some other dimension or what not if they don't have it already

Happened already. Eva-01 was drawn into the Sea of Dirac.

It went beserk and ripped its way out.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-20 05:37pm

Or rather the angel forming it who formed a conventient exit point for it to get out.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2002-12-20 07:23pm

SylasGaunt wrote:And third impact wouldn't do jack to affect the culture's war-making ability as it's a human specific event. Sure all the true humans will end up turning into tang once their AT fields are removed, but the Minds, and non-humans in the Culture won't be affected in the slightest.

Actually, as I understand it, all those with a Soul (AT-Field) are turned into puddles of LCL...

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2002-12-20 07:54pm

I say that Eva Unit 1 would be able to PUT UP A GOOD FIGHT and cause damage against the culture because I hold a personal belief that the powers of Eva 1 aren't entirely scientific. I did say the Culture would win though, albeit not by destroying the beast.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2002-12-20 08:02pm

I'll concede maybe starting this thread wasn't the best idea. But a lot of people on this board seem to think the Culture is all powerful and unstoppable (which they probably are, I just started checking out the material and books myself) but lots of Evangelion fans say the same thing about the Evangelions, Unit 1 in particular.

However the part of the debate the piqued my curiosity the most was what effect would a 3rd Impact have.

Exonerate is right, unless no one in the Culture has a soul/AT-Field then a 3rd Impact-style event would have great signifigance.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2002-12-20 10:16pm

Exonerate wrote:
SylasGaunt wrote:And third impact wouldn't do jack to affect the culture's war-making ability as it's a human specific event. Sure all the true humans will end up turning into tang once their AT fields are removed, but the Minds, and non-humans in the Culture won't be affected in the slightest.
Actually, as I understand it, all those with a Soul (AT-Field) are turned into puddles of LCL...

*SPOILER WARNING*

The reason humanity was affected as it is was due to the simply fact that humanity is the 18th Angel. When third impact occured it dissolved the individual AT fields of humans and caused them to merge back toghether. However the Culture consists of very few actual humans and an awful lot of humanoid aliens with all the important stuff run by the Minds (which are AIs). I conceed that initiating an Impact will do a nice job turning all the remaining humans into tang but it won't impede the Culture in the slightest and the percieved genocide WOULD do a good job at pissing them off.

I say that Eva Unit 1 would be able to PUT UP A GOOD FIGHT and cause damage against the culture because I hold a personal belief that the powers of Eva 1 aren't entirely scientific. I did say the Culture would win though, albeit not by destroying the beast.

An assertion you have yet to back-up with any significant evidence. There is absolutely nothing all that special about Unit-01 aside from being a Lillith clone and having Shinji's mother's soul in it. However that doesn't make it suddenly god-like, nor does it in affect in the slightest the outcome of any combat between unit-01 and any culture combatant, namely Unit-01 being annihilated before it knows its attacker is even there.