Information needed

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-04-02 06:36pm

Hello, I was just wondering, does anyone have a link to the source where Chee said that the ICS was C-canon? Not the quote itself, I know it already, but where it came from.

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-04-02 06:44pm

I don't think Chee ever said anything specific about it-- it's automatically C-canon, since it's not a film.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-04-02 06:52pm

I was talking about this:

which category (C or G) the Incredible Cross-sections, Visual Dictionary and the Inside the Worlds belongs?

Theses books are treated no differently than any other books; anything created by the author would be C-level. I would guess that 95% of the text info in those books is created by the author or is based on information created by another author other than George Lucas.

Someone I'm debating doesn't believe it's a real quote and he wants a source.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-04-02 07:00pm

You're getting your canon classifications mixed up.

ICS is EU, because its not a film. Lucas himself could have written it, and it would still be EU.

G-canon are things stemming from GL or the movies, anything that's not, is C-canon.

The ICS include some G-canon elements (like Rothana), so it's not completely C.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-04-02 07:04pm

I know that, what I'm asking for is a source for the quote I just mentioned. The person I'm debating thinks I just made it up.

He also says Saxton just made up all the figures in the ICS because they were never mentioned directly in the movies.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-04-02 07:06pm

The ICS include some G-canon elements (like Rothana), so it's not completely C.

Of course, the same could be said of, say, Shadows of the Empire, due to the dream sequence in the beginning, which was a copy of the carbon-freeze scene in ESB.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-04-02 07:17pm

What I'm looking for is the original thread or interview or website where Chee said that quote, in case I wasn't being clear.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2006-04-02 07:32pm

Noble Ire wrote:
The ICS include some G-canon elements (like Rothana), so it's not completely C.
Of course, the same could be said of, say, Shadows of the Empire, due to the dream sequence in the beginning, which was a copy of the carbon-freeze scene in ESB.

In fact, that point could be made for the vast majority of the EU. They have the movie characters, after all.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-04-02 07:50pm

OmegaGuy wrote:He also says Saxton just made up all the figures in the ICS because they were never mentioned directly in the movies.

He's right; Dr Saxton did make up all the figures in the ICS. If there were any he didn't, they were derived directly from the movies, and the ones he did make up were made up so they were consistent with the scope and scale the movies (intentionally or unintentionally) present. So the claim is correct, but the implication he wants you to take from it -- that because Dr Saxton made them up, they are automatically invalid -- is wrong.

EDIT: correctin an apparent contradiction in wording ...

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-04-02 07:59pm

So do you know where that quote originated from?

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-04-02 08:10pm

OmegaGuy wrote:So do you know where that quote originated from?

A quick google gives this thread from the SW.com boards, as well as, interestingly enough this thread from SD.net.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2006-04-02 08:16pm

I thought the ICS was movie-level canon? Or has that been retracted?

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-04-02 08:20pm

I found it there, but it says it was from an earlier thread. Oh well, thanks anyway.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-04-02 08:23pm

Elheru Aran wrote:I thought the ICS was movie-level canon? Or has that been retracted?

Y'know, there's this wonderful sticky specifically on canon just on top of this forum.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-04-02 08:45pm

nightmare wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:I thought the ICS was movie-level canon? Or has that been retracted?
Y'know, there's this wonderful sticky specifically on canon just on top of this forum.

Coincidentally, the second link in my post points directly to that sticky, which addresses OmegaGuy's question on the very first page.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2006-04-03 03:15am

OmegaGuy wrote:I was talking about this:

which category (C or G) the Incredible Cross-sections, Visual Dictionary and the Inside the Worlds belongs?

Theses books are treated no differently than any other books; anything created by the author would be C-level. I would guess that 95% of the text info in those books is created by the author or is based on information created by another author other than George Lucas.
Someone I'm debating doesn't believe it's a real quote and he wants a source.

I can vouch that it was a real quote, I asked the bloody question. It can be found below (The Holocron Q&A thread):

+http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa? ... &start=120