Making a crazy HOI2: Doomsday Scenario

Post by **Steve** » 2006-06-24 09:27am

I am truly insane, and this insanity was inspired by Mellian from SB.

Feel free to help fill out the ministries, plus alternative ministers for fascist, communist, or outright democratic SDN. Oh, and tech teams, unit names (ship names, division names, etc.), and military commanders too.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2006-06-24 10:40am

Wow, awesome idea!

For infantry divisions, how about "1st Flamewarriors", "2nd Flamewarriors", and so on. Strategic Bombers could be "1 Shep" etc.

Also, every April 1st, there should be an event that makes the country lose most of it's IC for the day, or something odd like that.

Just how wacky were you planning to make it?

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-06-24 11:36am

Ministers should be supermods, with the head of state being Wong, while Prime Minister goes to Dalton.

Post by **Steve** » 2006-06-24 01:25pm

Ace Pace wrote:Ministers should be supermods, with the head of state being Wong, while Prime Minister goes to Dalton.

But which SMs as which ministers?

And don't forget air, land, and naval commanders and tech teams.

Post by **Steve** » 2006-06-24 04:08pm

More.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-06-24 04:21pm

Steve wrote:
Ace Pace wrote:Ministers should be supermods, with the head of state being Wong, while Prime Minister goes to Dalton.
But which SMs as which ministers?

And don't forget air, land, and naval commanders and tech teams.

EDIT: nevermind, going through mod list:

Head of State: Mike Wong
Prime Minister: Dalton

Forign Minister: Pablo Sanchez or Red Imperator or Keeven Colton(depending on Aligment)

Armaments minister: Vympel

Minister of Security: Durandel, Mr Bean or Phong(sp)

Head of Mil Intel: Mr Bean, Beowulf or RedImperator

Chief of Staff: Sea Skimmer or Vympel

Chief of Army: Rob Wilson or Vympel, other options include Sir Nitram or NecronLord

Chief of air: Shep,Shep, Shep.

Chief of Navy: Lonestar.

I tried to stick to people who would actully know or fit the role.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2006-06-24 04:43pm

(minister -- trait)

Head of State
Mike Wong -- Stern Imperialist

Head of Government
Rob Dalton -- Silent Workhorse

Foreign Minister
Stravo -- Great Compromiser

Armaments Minister
SirNitram -- Administrative Genius

Minister of Security
Durandal -- Prince of Terror

Minister of Intelligence
Pablo Sanchez -- Dismal Enigma

Chief of Staff
Rob Wilson -- School of Psychology

Chief of Army
Vympel -- Armored Spearhead Doctrine

Chief of Navy
Sea Skimmer -- Power Projection Doctrine

Chief of Air Force
Mark Sheppard -- Carpet Bombing Doctrine

Slider positions, 0 being all the way left, 9 being all the way right
Authoritarian = 8 (virtually all power resides in the staff)
Left-Right = 5 (fairly centrist, might put it more to the left)
Open Society = 2 (free speech is scarcely limited at all here)
Central Planning = ? (whatever seems to work)
Standing Army = 0 (preference)
Hawk Lobby = 0 (we are hyperaggressive people)
Interventionism = 5 ("no invasion" rules, but still aggressive)

Our land doctrine path should be blitzkrieg. Navy doctrine: base strike.

These are general guidelines, anyway.

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2006-06-24 06:16pm

Because of her ambassadorial work at SB I suggest Zaia for foreign minister.

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2006-06-24 06:30pm

I suggest we actually be 3 or 4 on the Left-Right scale to make us Left-Wing Radicals. Since SDN basically is way more Left-Wing than the 1940s centrist.

Not Leninist, though, so we can't be too far left while authoritarian. That would be silly.

Shep is strange since the HoI2 system has ministers by ideology and it would be hard to be an authoritarian left country and keep him if it's accurately modeled.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2006-06-24 06:41pm

What did you do to create SDN?

Duckie · Post by **Duckie** » 2006-06-24 06:48pm

Enigma wrote:What did you do to create SDN?

Used one of the User Defined Tags to name it SDN and gave it its own territory and ministers, I assume. Presumably he also removed all edits referring to the middle east since Stardestroyer.net now holds the area instead of Britain and France.

I guess the "Kurdistan+Syria+Palestine" type area is Spacebattles, and the Persia Minus One Province is another web board?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2006-06-24 09:30pm

MRDOD wrote:Shep is strange since the HoI2 system has ministers by ideology and it would be hard to be an authoritarian left country and keep him if it's accurately modeled.

IIRC if you have no "spare" ministers the game just puts whoever you have into office. At least that's my understanding from liberating certain nations as a Social Democratic France--Paternal Autocrat ministers still appeared in (I think) Albania and Siam.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2006-06-24 10:13pm

What's all this about now?

Post by **weemadando** » 2006-06-24 10:29pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Head of Government
Rob Dalton -- Silent Workhorse

Sorry, but Silent? Workhorse yes...

Post by **Steve** » 2006-06-24 10:43pm

MRDOD wrote:
Enigma wrote:What did you do to create SDN?
Used one of the User Defined Tags to name it SDN and gave it its own territory and ministers, I assume. Presumably he also removed all edits referring to the middle east since Stardestroyer.net now holds the area instead of Britain and France.

Yes, and I used the game editor that comes with Doomsday so I didn't have the crawl through ten different files making alterations.

I guess the "Kurdistan+Syria+Palestine" type area is Spacebattles, and the Persia Minus One Province is another web board?

Actually SB is in Persia. The white country to the north is Divine Salamis, a board Marina founded from her blog that I'm co-admin for. And given the political inclinations, I was going to have Shep a DS minister and not SDN. But Beowulf can be SDN Chief of the AF instead. As it is, because DS is quite a bit small and has a number of SDNers in it's ranks, I'll be using fictional characters to boost the ranks of leaders and ministers and such (for instance, DS's Communist HoG would be Ivan Krasnov, leader of the USSR in Drakafic).

Anyone up for alternative rulers? I've thought of making Wong the only Head of State but a Communist SDN would have either Elfdart or Plekhanov as Head of Government.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2006-06-25 12:16am

Make some well known users military officers.

Post by **Steve** » 2006-06-25 12:55am

More screenies.

Post by **Steve** » 2006-06-25 01:00am

There's a typo in the last pic. "surviving in a world on the brink of cataclysm" is the actual line and has already been fixed, but I took that screenie before I noticed the typo.

Post by **Steve** » 2006-06-25 09:53am

Also take notice of the changed picture above.

I corrected the typo and added that propaganda poster, though I'll need to resize it.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-06-25 03:37pm

So if DS fights SD, who has better chance? SD has better firepower but DS is so far better in terms of Org and Str.

Well, SD does have tech advantage.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-06-25 08:45pm

I'm Chief of the Navy? Sweet.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2006-06-26 01:11am

Mur-mur. When I try to create a new scenario in Doomsday, I'm stopped in my tracks by non-specific 'problems in scenario files'. This may be an OCP.

Post by **Steve** » 2006-06-26 06:55am

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:Mur-mur. When I try to create a new scenario in Doomsday, I'm stopped in my tracks by non-specific 'problems in scenario files'. This may be an OCP.

Not sure why, but I will tell you that the system for changing a province's resources is bad and fucks up the file by inserting, for some unknown reason, various province ids. So I'm going to have to do that manually.

My plan is that SDN starts with a higher tech level for new units (all three powers' initial armies are the most-advanced units in the world at the time, usually '42 or '43 level - though the Vader's Fist Legion is '51 Infantry) and will probably have the second-largest army by a bit and second-best manpower pool, but will have the lowest industrial capacity and the smallest Navy starting out (but don't knock it much, SDN gets control of Suez!).

Divine Salamis will have the smallest army and manpower pool, the best navy, mid-range tech level, and the second-most IC of the three. SB will have the largest initial army, largest manpower pool, most IC, but will start with the lowest amount of technology for new units and will probably have only the second-best Navy, perhaps even third-ranked for that too. (I may give them the smallest air force and second-best navy, with SDN having the smallest navy and best air force - which makes sense when you think of all the Air Force types on SDN).

I've also been toying now with making HAB a seperate country and puppet of SDN under Sea Skimmer as a Stalinist dictator of what would essentially be a military state, which I'd give control of Abadan and a couple other Iranian provinces taken from SB early on before the three boards stopped fighting.

Coding the events will be the most annoying, but I'm thinking of events that could lead to inter-board warfare by 1940, but also events for "the Union of the Boards" in which the three board-countries can ally to repulse attack by any of the big three alliances and thus join WWII. The only tricky thing would be dealing with the game's tendency to automatically have an attacked country join the other major alliance warring with the attacker. I may modify it, then, to be in the event of one major alliance or the other making great gains - like Germany/Italy taking Cairo and clearly overrunning the USSR or the Soviets getting to Berlin. Maybe even one for protecting against the Allies trying to impose Wilsonian self-determination on the board-countries.

I'm also going to code events for the Saudis, Soviets, and British at the very least, maybe one for a Turkish-DS chain of events too. The British will get an event to ratify the treaty with SDN accepting SDN control of the Sinai up to Suez - the ai will be set to say yes but a British player can say no, the Soviets will get an event on whether to accept the loss of part of Turkmenistan to Spacebattles, and the Saudis will get some events for raising new military units as a result of their tech-trade with SB (Which is doing joint oil projects with the Saudis, showing them untapped oil wells, to get oil now that SDN has solid control of Abadan).

Any more questions?

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2006-06-26 08:25am

SB has one or two airforce personel, and our own Victorhadin is studying a PhD in aerospace engineering.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-06-26 08:30am

Tech teams, I imagine DS will have a massive advantage in doctrine, SDN in industry and technology research.