Work Around for New Hi-Def Disk Format Protections

Dominus Atheos · Post by **Dominus Atheos** » 2006-07-10 01:23am

"For the new Blu-ray and HD-DVD formats, Hollywood implemented a complete copy protection scheme; almost everything has to be encrypted and authenticated. Despite the crypto-stuff in Advanced Access Content System and High Bandwidth Digital Content Protection, they left the backdoor wide open — they forgot about the PrintScreen button. Using this function you can create exact digital copies of a film picture-by-picture and reassemble them into a stream."

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-07-10 02:22am

Fuck, that's a hell of a lot of work just to copy a God damn movie...

Dominus Atheos · Post by **Dominus Atheos** » 2006-07-10 02:23am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Fuck, that's a hell of a lot of work just to copy a God damn movie...

You can automate it.

bilateralrope · Post by **bilateralrope** » 2006-07-10 03:51am

Or you could just copy it bit for bit, leaving all its anti-copy nonsense intact.

CD/DVD copy protection simply doesn't work.

Acidburns · Post by **Acidburns** » 2006-07-10 09:23am

Wouldn't something like FRAPS work too.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2006-07-10 11:55am

Acidburns wrote:Wouldn't something like FRAPS work too.

Yes FRAPS run off the raw video footage. Thus as long as you can acutaly watch the movie, you could FRAPS record it.

Note however that FRAPS videos run into the multi-gig because FRAPS can't compress at the same time it's recording(Since it's got the raw video data) To save hard drive space you'd have to record in slots and stich it back togther after your done. Unless of course you have the 600 gigs a 90 minute movie would take up of uncompressed video. (Compression could of course cut that down from 600 gigs to 900 megs or less of course)

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-07-10 12:20pm

In truth, though, copy protection doesn't have to prevent copying to be considered effective, it just has to make it inconvenient. I can't see myself doing all that shit just to copy a movie, and I bet that goes for 90% of the casual copiers out there.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-07-10 12:22pm

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:In truth, though, copy protection doesn't have to prevent copying to be considered effective, it just has to make it inconvenient. I can't see myself doing all that shit just to copy a movie, and I bet that goes for 90% of the casual copiers out there.

But there's always that 1% of pirates who'll do it just for the glory and bragging rights - and once you've got one good rip, it'll spread like wildfire.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2006-07-10 12:32pm

Actually, the studios are considering lockouts that will prevent PrintScreen access from working (probably by some sort of hardware overlay, which is already commonly used for DVD playback). Ever try using PrintScreen for DVD playback? It rarely works.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-07-10 12:34pm

Bounty wrote:But there's always that 1% of pirates who'll do it just for the glory and bragging rights - and once you've got one good rip, it'll spread like wildfire.

True, but with such a small number of people doing the rips, the selection will be very limited. Try to find anything that's not a new release or very popular among the 18-24 year old male demographic and you're likely to come up empty-handed.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2006-07-10 03:51pm

phongn wrote:Actually, the studios are considering lockouts that will prevent PrintScreen access from working (probably by some sort of hardware overlay, which is already commonly used for DVD playback). Ever try using PrintScreen for DVD playback? It rarely works.

1. Go into Display Properties and disable hardware acceleration.

2. Hit Print Screen.

4. Profit.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2006-07-10 04:53pm

Uraniun235 wrote:1. Go into Display Properties and disable hardware acceleration.

2. Hit Print Screen.

4. Profit.

Not if the new formats require end-to-end overlay protection/acceleration in order to function. HDMI is only one piece of the protection puzzle.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2006-07-10 09:10pm

Whaat? In order to stop this, they'll prevent us from taking screen shots of our LEGALLY bought movies? One of the big reasons I love DVDs is because we can easily screengrab stuff, without expensive video capture software

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2006-07-10 09:50pm

MKSheppard wrote:Whaat? In order to stop this, they'll prevent us from taking screen shots of our LEGALLY bought movies? One of the big reasons I love DVDs is because we can easily screengrab stuff, without expensive video capture software

Yup. The whole point is to control how we watch our movies, and our TV shows. Fuck the consumer. The more I think about, the less I believe copy protection is about stopping priacy and more about forcing the consumer to use the product in one specific way, with extra cost incured to the consumer to watch it any way else. (This might be "duh" to a few people here)

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2006-07-10 10:20pm

MKSheppard wrote:Whaat? In order to stop this, they'll prevent us from taking screen shots of our LEGALLY bought movies? One of the big reasons I love DVDs is because we can easily screengrab stuff, without expensive video capture software

There are mechanisms to do this in both HD-DVD and BD-ROM, but neither are mandatory. Hopefully the content providers will see reason.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2006-07-10 10:24pm

Mr Bean wrote:
Acidburns wrote:Wouldn't something like FRAPS work too.
Yes FRAPS run off the raw video footage. Thus as long as you can acutaly watch the movie, you could FRAPS record it.

Note however that FRAPS videos run into the multi-gig because FRAPS can't compress at the same time it's recording(Since it's got the raw video data) To save hard drive space you'd have to record in slots and stich it back togther after your done. Unless of course you have the 600 gigs a 90 minute movie would take up of uncompressed video. (Compression could of course cut that down from 600 gigs to 900 megs or less of course)

Not to mention that you'll have to have a rediculously fast system just to do that since running Fraps and recording on-the-fly will bog your system down quite a bit.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2006-07-11 11:29am

Vertigo1 wrote: Not to mention that you'll have to have a rediculously fast system just to do that since running Fraps and recording on-the-fly will bog your system down quite a bit.

According to Hollywood since we are making such massive profits off our illegal movies that's an easy investment to make.

To be exact I only see a 5-10 FPS drop while recording in CoD2, BF1942/FH, or even Oblivion at 1024x768.