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Why yes, they can take down elephants

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I'm not ashamed to admit I laughed when I read this.

(Article Source: news.com)
technocrat.net wrote:THE moon has set over the Kalahari and in the darkness it has become very hard to tell which shadowy lumps are bushes and which are lions. Suddenly, a member of the pride decides to make his whereabouts known.

A deep roar rends the African night; a great, bass groan that places the hunter spine-tinglingly close to our open-sided Jeep. We scramble for night-vision goggles. There he is, a brute of a male, not three metres from the vehicle. And he is not alone. We are surrounded by lions. After hours of inaction, the pride is on the move. The hunt is on.

"It's just unbelievable," mutters Jonny Keeling, a BBC wildlife producer clinging to the top of the Jeep next to me. "They're trying to kill again."

This is said with no satisfaction. Although a kill is what he has come to see, what the BBC is spending a great deal of money trying to record, the horror of what he fears is about to unfold on the plain fills him with dread.

A few years ago, stories began to emerge from Botswana that were so extraordinary wildlife experts struggled to believe them. According to guides in a remote area of Chobe National Park, a pride of lions had started attacking elephants. Driven by extreme hunger at the height of the dry season, when their normal prey was scarce, they had started by taking down baby elephants then moved on to adolescents and occasionally fully grown adults.

Lions are among the animal kingdom's most brutal and efficient predators but no one had heard of them hunting elephants before. The BBC's Natural History Unit decided to send a film crew to try to capture a hunt on film.

The lions hunt elephants because they have discovered that they can. The dry season has always been a desperate time for wildlife in northern Botswana. One year, perhaps, water, and therefore prey, was scarcer than ever and a small or weak elephant was killed in a moment of bold opportunism. Then there was no turning back.

When the roaring begins, it comes as such a surprise that we are surrounded by lions. The noise is intended to intimidate the herds passing through. The lionesses check out the elephants as they pass, looking for vulnerable targets.

There is quiet again. The pride appears to have gone back to sleep. But as a mother and an adolescent come through, slightly detached from the rest of a herd, two of the lionesses are instantly awake, on their feet and moving in. Pandemonium ensues.

The elephants trumpet with panic as they crash through the undergrowth. One of the lionesses jumps on the young elephant's back and another grabs its haunches. The hind-leg tendons are severed and the animal crashes to the ground. The rest of the lions pile in. The mother thunders off into the bush.

"Oh Christ, they've got one," murmurs Keeling as we catch up. The hunt, from the moment the lionesses spotted their victim until they felled it, lasted just 30 seconds.

The elephant takes a further 30 minutes to expire. The death agony is not pretty. The lions chew through tough hide and clamp their jaws around the elephant's trunk in an attempt to stop it breathing. The sound of the animal's gargling, wheezing and hissing is sickening and the lions provide a chilling accompaniment of low, contented growling. It is a hellish scene, all the more so for the faint red glow cast by the infra-red cameras.

There are scuffles as members of the pride jostle for position on the carcass. When they eventually can feast no more they pull away, their faces covered in blood, gore-stained up to their haunches. Panting with the exertion of gorging themselves, they lick each other's faces and flop down, exhausted.

"It seems irreverent watching a noble beast being killed. Elephants are such honourable animals," Keeling says grimly. "It's just unbelievable. The lions are trying to kill every night, even though their bellies are full. They are just machines."

He is already worrying about the graphic nature of the footage. "We will have to be judicious about how we use it, so it's not too gory."

A year later, back in Britain, the lions and elephants sequence for the Planet Earth program Great Plains has been created from weeks of filming. The footage has been carefully edited but is nevertheless an uncompromising piece of film, possibly the most shocking natural history footage you will have seen, up there with the film of killer whales hunting sea lions that jolted viewers out of their armchairs back in 1990.

David Attenborough, who narrates, says the filmmaker's job is "to make it tolerable" for a television audience.

"People accuse us of the pornography of violence. But if they saw it (in real life), as you have done, they would see the difference between how we produced it and how it was shot."

Once again, a BBC film crew, working under incredibly challenging conditions, has succeeded in capturing the brutal realities of the natural world in a way we haven't seen before. If you retain any sentimental feelings about lions, prepare to lose them.
More seriously, I thought this was amazing. I mean, even for a pack of lions, trying to take down a full-grown elephant must mean some serious hunger.
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Like cats or hate them, you have to really pay them some serious respect. Anyone who has ever owned a house cat knows that when it's pissed, it can do some serious damage. A 15 pound house cat could really jack a person up if it attacks at full force before the person could get the upper hand.

Add a few hundred pounds to that same animal and you have something pretty damn tough.
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Superman wrote:Like cats or hate them, you have to really pay them some serious respect. Anyone who has ever owned a house cat knows that when it's pissed, it can do some serious damage. A 15 pound house cat could really jack a person up if it attacks at full force before the person could get the upper hand.

Add a few hundred pounds to that same animal and you have something pretty damn tough.
Especially when they're not only large animals themselves, but hunt in packs as well.
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If wolves can take down buffalo, it shouldn't come as a surprise that lions can take down elephants. Still impressive though.
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I find it even more impressive that humans have been known to take down elephants with wooden spears and flint knives - one on one lions vs. humans may be no match, but put us in packs and humans are the most dangerous critters on the planet.
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Broomstick wrote:I find it even more impressive that humans have been known to take down elephants with wooden spears and flint knives - one on one lions vs. humans may be no match, but put us in packs and humans are the most dangerous critters on the planet.
Actually humans have been known to take out elephants one on one. It requires that you not only be good with the spear, but be able to run for a long time. The prospective elephant killer (usually attempting to prove his manhood) throws the spear into the elephant's gut and runs like hell. The elephant gives chase (this is where the endurance running comes in) and dies a few days latter of peritonitis. Us tool using primates are bad motherfuckers.
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It's impressive, but why did you laugh at the prolonged death of a baby elephant?
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Christ. More reasons why It Is Not Safe In Africa. Now all we need are hippos chasing villagers during floods.

I heard on National Geographic (didn't get to finish the program though), that hippos are...omnivorous? I don't think I heard it right, but yeah.
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I think my old cat could do that. A week after we got her, she took apart my family. I was, thankfully, spared after coming in to find pools of blood on the floor, my dad's arm torn asunder, my brother's face bleeding and my mum in a foetal position crying as the cat clawing at the top window to get out.

I've always wanted a big cat as a pet though. I wonder if Siggfried and Roy have any pointers. Then it's on to get my wolf pack.
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"People accuse us of the pornography of violence. But if they saw it (in real life), as you have done, they would see the difference between how we produced it and how it was shot."
Nature is gory, violent, smelly, and brutal. Civilization's protected us from it, but that doesn't mean we should lose touch with the basic facts of life: it may not be socially acceptable to air this video, but regardless of people's tastes, the video is realistic.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Christ. More reasons why It Is Not Safe In Africa. Now all we need are hippos chasing villagers during floods.

I heard on National Geographic (didn't get to finish the program though), that hippos are...omnivorous? I don't think I heard it right, but yeah.
I've seen footage on Animal Planet of hippos stealing carcasses from crocodiles and eating zebras and wildebeest that didn't make it across the river.
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Imperial Overlord wrote:
Broomstick wrote:I find it even more impressive that humans have been known to take down elephants with wooden spears and flint knives - one on one lions vs. humans may be no match, but put us in packs and humans are the most dangerous critters on the planet.
Actually humans have been known to take out elephants one on one. It requires that you not only be good with the spear, but be able to run for a long time. The prospective elephant killer (usually attempting to prove his manhood) throws the spear into the elephant's gut and runs like hell. The elephant gives chase (this is where the endurance running comes in) and dies a few days latter of peritonitis. Us tool using primates are bad motherfuckers.
In that case, it's as much our evolved ability to run long, long distances as it is our technology. Humans evolved to be long-distance runners. It may have given them the ability to initially beat other scavengers to a carcass. Later on, it enabled them to chase game animals literally to a point where the game animals collapsed from exhaustion. In fact, in some cases, running an animal down like that was more efficient and successful than hunting via spears and bows.
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GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:
In that case, it's as much our evolved ability to run long, long distances as it is our technology. Humans evolved to be long-distance runners. It may have given them the ability to initially beat other scavengers to a carcass. Later on, it enabled them to chase game animals literally to a point where the game animals collapsed from exhaustion. In fact, in some cases, running an animal down like that was more efficient and successful than hunting via spears and bows.
Yep. It's a total package thing, but that's the case with all predators. Its the brains and the tool use that puts us on the top of the heap, but our other advantages help.
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Rye wrote:It's impressive, but why did you laugh at the prolonged death of a baby elephant?
I should have clarified - I certainly wasn't laughing at the specific concept of a baby elephant being torn apart by a pack of lions. I was laughing in amazement at the fact that lions do, in fact, attack elephants in general.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Christ. More reasons why It Is Not Safe In Africa.
Don't be asinine. As long as you take the proper precautions and avoid bad areas, it's quite safe. I'd much rather be on the streets of Jos, Nigeria, than navigating the Atlanta highways...
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There was an article about this in National Geographic six years ago. There was also a documentary by the Jouberts. Their recent one, Eye of the Leopard was amazing.
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This isn't really on topic- other than in the sense of "what the fuck, wildlife?"- but I read an article in the Independent today that mentioned elephants conducting revenge attacks on villages and cases in South Africa of bull elephants raping and killing rhinoceroses. What the hell?
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3rd Impact wrote:This isn't really on topic- other than in the sense of "what the fuck, wildlife?"- but I read an article in the Independent today that mentioned elephants conducting revenge attacks on villages and cases in South Africa of bull elephants raping and killing rhinoceroses. What the hell?
There was quite a bg article on the NYT site about it. The theory is apparently that in many areas the social structure of the elephants has completely broken down due to poaching and such, and this, together with the trauma they've gone through, has completely screwed up a whole load of them. Thus random attacks on other animals and humans, and a lack of proper family groups.
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