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I'm not sure if this warrants a new thread or not, but Chee mentioned this in the Holocron continuity database:

regarding the 3d clone wars cartoon and the live action star wars tv series, are they g-canon or c-canon?
So far I'm using the term T-canon for the upcoming animated series and live-action series. Nothing prior is being considered T-canon.

Why a separate canon for the television series, but not for video games?

Mange wrote:Why a separate canon for the television series, but not for video games?

At a guess, 'cause it's not as "official" as the movies, which are Star Wars, but it's way more official than the things Lucas isn't directly involved in, which is the EU. It's somewhere in-between.

It's interesting that the animated series is treated equally at this point.

nightmare wrote:It's interesting that the animated series is treated equally at this point.

Well, Lucas did remember the name of Anakin's padawan.

Tele-canon. Makes sense.

So where do the ICS come in at, I've heard they're considered slightly higher than C but lower than G?

General Schatten wrote:So where do the ICS come in at, I've heard they're considered slightly higher than C but lower than G?

At a guess:

G
T
ICS-level C
EU-level C

So the show will feel free to run rampant over the EU, but is overridden by the movies/novelisations/etc? I can live with that.

Stark wrote:So the show will feel free to run rampant over the EU, but is overridden by the movies/novelisations/etc? I can live with that.

Indeed, but how long before the hardcore EU fanwhores start bitching about the lack of "zomg referances!"? They'll wonder where their victory class SDs and dildo cruisers went.

CaptHawkeye wrote:Indeed, but how long before the hardcore EU fanwhores start bitching about the lack of "zomg referances!"? They'll wonder where their victory class SDs and dildo cruisers went.

You don't like Victories or Rendili StarDrive Dreadnaughts?

Warsie wrote:

CaptHawkeye wrote:Indeed, but how long before the hardcore EU fanwhores start bitching about the lack of "zomg referances!"? They'll wonder where their victory class SDs and dildo cruisers went.

You don't like Victories or Rendili StarDrive Dreadnaughts?

Hell no. The Victory doesn't look like an "older" star destroyer, without a size comparison I actually thought it was a new type of star destroyer. And look! It's got wings for atmospheric flight! Yes, you read that correctly! I'll take my straight-from-Lucasfilm Venator any day thank you.

I'm gonna laugh and laugh when the TV show winds up starring Quinlan Vos.

The ICS's, incidentally, are no higher on the 'canon scale' than any other C-canon product.

Yeah, it's speculation that the show will follow the movies in largely ignoring the EU. It could turn out to be WEG hour, with every week a new ship based on abandoned concept art.

But it's COMFORTING speculation.

CaptHawkeye wrote:

Stark wrote:So the show will feel free to run rampant over the EU, but is overridden by the movies/novelisations/etc? I can live with that.

Indeed, but how long before the hardcore EU fanwhores start bitching about the lack of "zomg referances!"? They'll wonder where their victory class SDs and dildo cruisers went.

You know, just because you suspect that the canon level of the new TV shows will supercede that of the rest of the EU does not mean that it will be completely disregarded, whether you want it to be or not. Besides, the live-action program is evidently going to be positioned chronologically in such a way that direct conflicts with major EU plotlines are unlikely, simply because there is almost nothing between ROTS and ANH, excepting a few obscure comics, video game missions, and older novels. I suspect that the show's producers will make some attempt to include references to the rest of the established canon, although I do not expect nor particularly wish for them to bend over backwards to do so.

At absolute best (well, best for EU haters like me lol) they'll probably start using the EU for sheer lack of material. It's one thing to make a few movies, but when writers start getting lazy or cast around wookiepedia for a kewl ship, I suspect the EU will creep in.

Warsie wrote:

CaptHawkeye wrote:Indeed, but how long before the hardcore EU fanwhores start bitching about the lack of "zomg referances!"? They'll wonder where their victory class SDs and dildo cruisers went.

You don't like Victories or Rendili StarDrive Dreadnaughts?

Ugh Dreadnoughts. "Hey! Let's take a box and put an engine on the back! Brilliant! Then let's do it again with a bunch of other phallic shaped boxes and say these are the best a millenia old galactic society could build!"

I'm confident we won't see any of those garbage scows when Lucasfilm's designers are capable of so much better.

I suspect that the whole T-Canon classification is more along the lines of "for internal purposes, we're putting them here by themselves until we figure out where they should go later," rather than a brand-new level.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I suspect that the whole T-Canon classification is more along the lines of "for internal purposes, we're putting them here by themselves until we figure out where they should go later," rather than a brand-new level.

That makes sense, insofar as it goes. But why spend the time and effort neccesary to invent a new canon level, instead of just shoving it into an existing one?

It would be good if they could also replace the S and N canon levels with an A-level instead. Because then we could say:
"We have these levels of canon; G, T, C, and A. From these four, all information in the Star Wars universe can be derived."

And that would be awesome

Master_Baerne wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I suspect that the whole T-Canon classification is more along the lines of "for internal purposes, we're putting them here by themselves until we figure out where they should go later," rather than a brand-new level.

That makes sense, insofar as it goes. But why spend the time and effort neccesary to invent a new canon level, instead of just shoving it into an existing one?

How much time and effort do you seriously think would be involved?

This isn't drafting publication for a new book. For all we know, it could just involve creating a text file and saying "for X amount of time, all Y material goes in Z category."

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Master_Baerne wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I suspect that the whole T-Canon classification is more along the lines of "for internal purposes, we're putting them here by themselves until we figure out where they should go later," rather than a brand-new level.

That makes sense, insofar as it goes. But why spend the time and effort neccesary to invent a new canon level, instead of just shoving it into an existing one?

How much time and effort do you seriously think would be involved?

This isn't drafting publication for a new book. For all we know, it could just involve creating a text file and saying "for X amount of time, all Y material goes in Z category."

It seem like it would be more effort to create that rule, instead of saying "for X amount of time, all Y material goes in the video game category" or something like that.

You see, now I think that what you're suggesting would take more effort and time. What particularly makes the T classification easy is that the TV shows haven't been made yet, and it'll be less complicated to just put them wherever LF eventually decides they'll go, compared to reorganising something that's already organised and integrated into material. And I don't see why the games are so frequently regarded as being complicated in their canonicity issues, when they're really not.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:You see, now I think that what you're suggesting would take more effort and time. What particularly makes the T classification easy is that the TV shows haven't been made yet, and it'll be less complicated to just put them wherever LF eventually decides they'll go, compared to reorganising something that's already organised and integrated into material. And I don't see why the games are so frequently regarded as being complicated in their canonicity issues, when they're really not.

Got it. So, it would be "for X amount of time, all (not yet made) material material goes in (not yet made) category?

To be more precise, I think they're saying "for X amount of time, both new television series will be temporarily classified as T-Canon, for internal purposes, until we fully decide what proper Canon categories they should go under."

And by the way...WHO DESIGN ALL the EU ships?