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RIAA wins again

Posted: 2003-01-21 07:48pm
by Pu-239
Sorry going to violate my silence in off topic related to copyright:
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/01/21/20 ... ml?tid=158

Basically the RIAA can look into your ISPs records.

Posted: 2003-01-21 07:52pm
by Mr Bean
And WHERE is the crazy gun-nut when you need him?

Posted: 2003-01-21 07:55pm
by Tosho
Mr Bean wrote:And WHERE is the crazy gun-nut when you need him?
I'm wondering where Shep is too. :P

Posted: 2003-01-21 08:02pm
by Mr Bean
No no, Shep is simply is already know, We need an UNKNOW Gun-nut prefably with his own Self built Helicopter and high velocity chain-gun....

Prehaps a Deranged National Guardsmen who steals a Tank?(Loaded of Course)

Posted: 2003-01-21 08:07pm
by Darth Wong
When a government upholds the good of corporations over the good of the people, this is what you get.

Re: RIAA wins again

Posted: 2003-01-21 08:36pm
by EmperorMing
Pu-239 wrote:Sorry going to violate my silence in off topic related to copyright:
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/01/21/20 ... ml?tid=158

Basically the RIAA can look into your ISPs records.
Looks like Verizon Offline lost the suit. And after reading further down the RIAA may have had a case against the guy they were looking for. 600 tunes a day?! :shock: No wonder...

Posted: 2003-01-21 08:54pm
by Arthur_Tuxedo
The RIAA are so goddamned stupid. If they had simply offered a subscriber service to compete with free peer2peer, but with a gurantee of high quality and good selection, things wouldn't have come to this. Believe me, I really and honestly would pay a subscription fee to be able to know that what I'm getting is not live or recorded off the radio, and to be able to find good but unpopular songs, and I think most people would too.

Posted: 2003-01-21 09:15pm
by Pu-239
They came in too late.

Besides there is something called marketing. How else does Red Hat, Evian, et al make money? They "sell" free stuff. The RIAA can(could have) too. Oh well too late for those suckers. People are already accustomed to getting stuff for free. Besides their system is poorly made and expensive per file.

Anyways they are not going to sue every user, a few will suffice to scare people off P2P. Besides once they start doing that we'll just encrypt our files, mix them in with random noise.

Besides thats why I'm setting up loop-AES encryption for linux on my hard drive. When the RIAA breaks in burn the floppy with the keyfile :twisted: . Better yet put the keyfile on a CD and microwave it when you want to nuke the data. Or you can always put thermite on your hard disk and nuke it. No evidence. :p

For me though it's a nonissue since I have only downloaded in total less than 30 MP3s, so basically I'm wasting time on encryption.

EDIT:
You can find loop-AES here:
http://loop-aes.sf.net

Wonder how long it will take them to decrypt. I'll have to use a short key though if I decide to use it (fucks up some kernel patches), since my computer is slow.

Posted: 2003-01-21 09:17pm
by Slartibartfast
I liked Audiogalaxy because I could get really obscure sounds, like the soundtrack of Captain Future or my country's music from beginnings of the century (yes, they were actually cleaned and sold in CDs). Now all I can get is stupid Britney Spears or buy the most recent lame MTV idiots like Eminem or Limp Biscuit.

Posted: 2003-01-21 09:18pm
by Slartibartfast
Pu-239 wrote:Anyways they are not going to sue every user, a few will suffice to scare people off P2P. Besides once they start doing that we'll just encrypt our files, mix them in with random noise.
Then we can call the FBI on them for breaking the Millenium Act law while trying to crack it :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Posted: 2003-01-21 09:18pm
by Mr Bean
Besides thats why I'm setting up loop-AES encryption for linux on my hard drive. When the RIAA breaks in burn the floppy with the keyfile . Or you can always put thermite on your hard disk and nuke it. No evidence. :p
Most Western Digital Drives come with a full-proof deletion method

Completely writes Zero's to Hard Drive
Number of Times?
1? 2? 3? 4?
4
Begining writing....

I love Zero-writer

Posted: 2003-01-21 09:20pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
I thought AG went to shit recently and didn't allow downloads anymore.

Posted: 2003-01-21 09:27pm
by Slartibartfast
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I thought AG went to shit recently and didn't allow downloads anymore.
Yes. It was like 1000 times better than Napster too.

Posted: 2003-01-21 09:53pm
by Pu-239
Mr Bean wrote:
Besides thats why I'm setting up loop-AES encryption for linux on my hard drive. When the RIAA breaks in burn the floppy with the keyfile . Or you can always put thermite on your hard disk and nuke it. No evidence. :p
Most Western Digital Drives come with a full-proof deletion method

Completely writes Zero's to Hard Drive
Number of Times?
1? 2? 3? 4?
4
Begining writing....

I love Zero-writer
Nope, sorry, doesn't work. They can scan the hard drive with an electron microscope. Besides random data is better,since you can amplify the residual signals from the HD. Of course all this costs tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Besides you don't have time to do this if they break into your house. Oh and instead of only nuking the HDD, nuke the entire computer for extra protection. I think AES encryption with large keys is secure enough though.

Read here-

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/p ... e_del.html

EDIT: And here:
http://wipe.sourceforge.net/ (Linux/Unix only)

Posted: 2003-01-21 09:55pm
by Pu-239
Slartibartfast wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I thought AG went to shit recently and didn't allow downloads anymore.
Yes. It was like 1000 times better than Napster too.
It was a good thing too. Spyware infested shit...

Is it true BTW that morpheus leaches off Gnutella without sharing files back to Gnutella?

Posted: 2003-01-21 09:56pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
All I know is that Morpheus was a pain to use. I hated it.

Posted: 2003-01-21 10:39pm
by Durandal
Mr Bean wrote:
Besides thats why I'm setting up loop-AES encryption for linux on my hard drive. When the RIAA breaks in burn the floppy with the keyfile . Or you can always put thermite on your hard disk and nuke it. No evidence. :p
Most Western Digital Drives come with a full-proof deletion method

Completely writes Zero's to Hard Drive
Number of Times?
1? 2? 3? 4?
4
Begining writing....

I love Zero-writer
That's not exactly a hardware-specific feature. Hell, the Disk Utility that's shipped with Macs for the past 5 or so years has always had a zero-write option when deleting files. I'm also fairly certain that the Windows XP setup utility allows you to do so, as well.

Posted: 2003-01-21 10:56pm
by Shinova
Ah, so they release the records of one customer? Like that'll deter any of us p2pers.

Posted: 2003-01-21 11:01pm
by The Dark
I liked SongSpy. Fairly good, worked behind any firewall. Too bad it went out of business :cry:. That's how I got my copy of The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Posted: 2003-01-22 07:04am
by Mr Bean
That's not exactly a hardware-specific feature. Hell, the Disk Utility that's shipped with Macs for the past 5 or so years has always had a zero-write option when deleting files. I'm also fairly certain that the Windows XP setup utility allows you to do so, as well.
Western Digtials however ships on a simple flopy so EVERYTHING can acutal be deleted, Most methods of Zero-Writing don't anything with a meg or two of the program itself which is a problem(Norton's is escilly bad when it was released had about 10 Megs surronding the program thats not deleted... New one is only 200kb but still)

Posted: 2003-01-22 07:07am
by Keevan_Colton
Actually, here is where viruses can come in handy....there are one or two that I recall that can quickly write random junk across the entire hard drive.....that'd atleast slow down any attempts at examining the contnent of the HDD.

Posted: 2003-01-22 07:12am
by Admiral Valdemar
I hope this is only in America; "The Land of the Free."

Posted: 2003-01-22 07:15am
by Keevan_Colton
Admiral Valdemar wrote:I hope this is only in America; "The Land of the Free."
The funny place that acts like it owns everything on the net?

Posted: 2003-01-22 07:20am
by HemlockGrey
Why do I feel like I'm about to be living in the movie 'Rollerball'?

Posted: 2003-01-22 07:27am
by Pu-239
Mr Bean wrote:
That's not exactly a hardware-specific feature. Hell, the Disk Utility that's shipped with Macs for the past 5 or so years has always had a zero-write option when deleting files. I'm also fairly certain that the Windows XP setup utility allows you to do so, as well.
Western Digtials however ships on a simple flopy so EVERYTHING can acutal be deleted, Most methods of Zero-Writing don't anything with a meg or two of the program itself which is a problem(Norton's is escilly bad when it was released had about 10 Megs surronding the program thats not deleted... New one is only 200kb but still)
Nah that still is ineffective. The best software based solution for windows is writing gutmann patterns all over the HDD with a linux/BSD/whatever boot floppy with wipe (is there a DOS program which does this). Of course this is still ineffective since the HDD can be analyzed with a microscope, since the patterns still reside outside the tracks. Slagging the HDD with thermite is the most effective way, but expensive. For windows downloading directly to removable media without caching is better. Oh and disable swap space.
Encryption is nice though, since you can destroy the key at the last minute.
Ah, so they release the records of one customer? Like that'll deter any of us p2pers
The point is that it sets a bad precedent and also helps the Ass. of America on their FUD campaign.