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"The first and second terms are accectable, the third one is not. We will not change our laws to suit how you think we should run our empire.""And that assertion flies in the facew of the vast majority of treaties ever signed in the 15 thousand years we have been space-faring. We really wouldnt have a problem if you simply withdrew the military presence or paid the KSE for the use of the territory. The moment you placed military vessels so close to an inhabited syustem you took up an aggressive position, one from which you could easily launch a suprise attack on their colony worlds. In te interests of preserving peace, we wil offer a proposal.
First: The asteroid Belt be shared between your two powers.
Second: Both sides withdraw military ships larger than a destroyer from the system
Third: This is the last territorial demand from a system that has a populated world. From this point on, you will consider the entire system a powers territory, not merely its planets.
Agreed?
"So what next? Will you be laying claim to the asteroids in the Barrier system even though we merely mine those asteroids with the miners living on the fourth planet? How about Joyous Gard's moon? Such a stance is not acceptable to any nation that values its territorial integrity. What if we were to show up in your home system with mining equipment and a battle fleet and assure you that we only wanted the asteroids or some dead planet or other? How would you react?"lazerus wrote:"The first and second terms are accectable, the third one is not. We will not change our laws to suit how you think we should run our empire.""And that assertion flies in the facew of the vast majority of treaties ever signed in the 15 thousand years we have been space-faring. We really wouldnt have a problem if you simply withdrew the military presence or paid the KSE for the use of the territory. The moment you placed military vessels so close to an inhabited syustem you took up an aggressive position, one from which you could easily launch a suprise attack on their colony worlds. In te interests of preserving peace, we wil offer a proposal.
First: The asteroid Belt be shared between your two powers.
Second: Both sides withdraw military ships larger than a destroyer from the system
Third: This is the last territorial demand from a system that has a populated world. From this point on, you will consider the entire system a powers territory, not merely its planets.
Agreed?
"We would be somewhat confused, as we have stations or bases on every planet and field within our territory."I reiterate, if one of our powers was to show up in your empire with mining equipment and a battle fleet and assure you that we only wanted the asteroids or some dead planet or other how would you react?"
"We said we would be willing to remove most of the escort."The problem is, by claiming asteroids and territory in a system with inhabited worlds, ESPECIALLY if your mining vesels have an armed escort, you are compromising the integrity of the system for the other power. It is akin to another nation building a military base next to metropolis.
We will keep having these problems if you do not change your laws to be in line with the rest of the galaxy. and whether you accept the terms of this agreement or not, it WILL be your last territorial demand because the KSE will not tolerate it, nor will any other power.
"Every government is in one way or another, we just don't bother concealing that fact."So you do intend to annex territory within another power's systems. Very well. If such is your intention. I also make note of the fact that you are a very hypocritical power.
"Noted. So, this issue has come to a close? If not a wholely satisfactory one."Keep in mind that if you do so in our systems, it is an act of war.
"We would, of course, destroy any ship or operation trying to set up a base or anything like it in one of our systems. Should you find them, that is. I think you would find it a painful experience, I can assure you that."lazerus wrote:"The first and second terms are accectable, the third one is not. We will not change our laws to suit how you think we should run our empire."
"We accept the proposal if we are allowed to place planetary defense stations around the colonized worlds." (These are static defenses and cannot attack targets as far out as your asteroid miners.)lazerus wrote:"The first and second terms are accectable, the third one is not. We will not change our laws to suit how you think we should run our empire.""And that assertion flies in the facew of the vast majority of treaties ever signed in the 15 thousand years we have been space-faring. We really wouldnt have a problem if you simply withdrew the military presence or paid the KSE for the use of the territory. The moment you placed military vessels so close to an inhabited syustem you took up an aggressive position, one from which you could easily launch a suprise attack on their colony worlds. In te interests of preserving peace, we wil offer a proposal.
First: The asteroid Belt be shared between your two powers.
Second: Both sides withdraw military ships larger than a destroyer from the system
Third: This is the last territorial demand from a system that has a populated world. From this point on, you will consider the entire system a powers territory, not merely its planets.
Agreed?
"No objections whatsoever.""We accept the proposal if we are allowed to place planetary defense stations around the colonized worlds." (These are static defenses and cannot attack targets as far out as your asteroid miners.)
"This is not the 'final solution' ambasidor. Our slighly expansionist policies do NOT make us the next great war waiting to happen."Your refusal to recognized the sovereign power of other states while threatening death to those that do the same thing makes us think otherwise.
If I may be frank, in the 20th century on earth, a man called Hitler did the exact same thing you are doing. ANd again if I may be frank, if it looks like a nazi, talks like a nazi, and acts like a nazi. Chances are, it is a nazi.
"And we would also like the right to send larger naval ships into the system if it is under threat of attack from any power that we are at war with"lazerus wrote:"No objections whatsoever.""We accept the proposal if we are allowed to place planetary defense stations around the colonized worlds." (These are static defenses and cannot attack targets as far out as your asteroid miners.)