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The Dark wrote:Wild Arms Advanced Third. The main story is fairly easy (though I'm at about 50 hours and counting), but the side bosses are next to impossible. I've killed ONE, and it took me three hours to kill him.

Burgertime. The least known NES game of all time. I've gotten to level 3 out of 10 twice in 14 years of playing the game. It's that hard.

Blaster Master (for NES, not PSX). In 14 years of playing, my father and I have gotten to level 3 of 8 once.

Blaster master is one of my favorites, and yeah it is hard. For one you only get so many continues which sucks and there are no passwords so once your out of continues thats it. You start all over

The Dark wrote:Wild Arms Advanced Third. The main story is fairly easy (though I'm at about 50 hours and counting), but the side bosses are next to impossible. I've killed ONE, and it took me three hours to kill him.

Burgertime. The least known NES game of all time. I've gotten to level 3 out of 10 twice in 14 years of playing the game. It's that hard.

Blaster Master (for NES, not PSX). In 14 years of playing, my father and I have gotten to level 3 of 8 once.

How is Wild Arms 3? I loved the first one (and still do, and I'll defend it to the death), but was very disappointed with the second one (not a bad game, just lacked that special something that the original had). Is WA3 better than the second one?

Durran Korr wrote:

The Dark wrote:Wild Arms Advanced Third. The main story is fairly easy (though I'm at about 50 hours and counting), but the side bosses are next to impossible. I've killed ONE, and it took me three hours to kill him.

Burgertime. The least known NES game of all time. I've gotten to level 3 out of 10 twice in 14 years of playing the game. It's that hard.

Blaster Master (for NES, not PSX). In 14 years of playing, my father and I have gotten to level 3 of 8 once.

How is Wild Arms 3? I loved the first one (and still do, and I'll defend it to the death), but was very disappointed with the second one (not a bad game, just lacked that special something that the original had). Is WA3 better than the second one?

I never played either of the other two, but I like the third very much. It's not the best RPG I've ever played (ChronoTrigger still holds that record), but I personally would place it above any of the Final Fantasy games I've played. If you've got previous experience with the WA series, though, and know what you like in those games, I'd suggest renting first, since I really don't know what the first two were like. I may be liking exactly what you wouldn't like.

System Shock 2- It's devilishly hard. Even the slow moving hybrids, who are creepy as hell, (as they charge you, they beg you to kill them. It's really wierd.) can kill you in about a five seconds. Hybrids are the weakest enemies, too- Gah, that game is insane.

The Dark wrote: Burgertime. The least known NES game of all time. I've gotten to level 3 out of 10 twice in 14 years of playing the game. It's that hard.

You do know that Burgertime was a standup before NES was even thought of. And what a great game too.

Kelly Antilles wrote:

The Dark wrote: Burgertime. The least known NES game of all time. I've gotten to level 3 out of 10 twice in 14 years of playing the game. It's that hard.

You do know that Burgertime was a standup before NES was even thought of. And what a great game too.

I didn't know that, but it makes sense. Most the early NES games had originally been coin-op machines. It was fun, but insanely hard. Even Pac-Man was easier.

Worms - any of them playing against lvl 5 computer opponents.

INSANITY.

I'd have to say the older sidescrollers, before there were save features. That was what made it hard to beat, having to play it all in one sitting. With the ablity to save, such a game becomes pretty easy.

Thirdfain wrote:System Shock 2- It's devilishly hard. Even the slow moving hybrids, who are creepy as hell, (as they charge you, they beg you to kill them. It's really wierd.) can kill you in about a five seconds. Hybrids are the weakest enemies, too- Gah, that game is insane.

It is?... hmm, I suppose it was a bit hard the first time through. Its all in getting the drop on the buggers, or leading them around where you can pick them off one at a time.

Now the Psi Monkeys are fun, especially in monotone grey areas where you don't notice them till they shoot a psi freeze bolt at you

Still, all it takes are some well placed shotgun or rifle rounds

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:I'd have to say the older sidescrollers, before there were save features. That was what made it hard to beat, having to play it all in one sitting. With the ablity to save, such a game becomes pretty easy.

Save was a good innovation, auto-save on the other hand can bite me. Auto-save being the ability to save atANYtime during play, rather than regular save which is at certain stations, after a level, or after completing a certain objective.

All auto-save does is let people who don't know the first thing about video games look like a pro. Especially on RTS games. Going to throw it all in one risky assault against the comp? Oh! Better auto-save in case it doesn't work. GO HOME PUSSY! If I'm gonna attack then thats it its final lets go. If that means throwing my men suicidily into wave after horrifying wave of destruction than so be it. I have NEVER used an auto-save function on any RTS game I've ever played in my LIFE. [/rant]

The Dark wrote: I didn't know that, but it makes sense. Most the early NES games had originally been coin-op machines. It was fun, but insanely hard. Even Pac-Man was easier.

Donkey Kong and DK JR were both pretty hard in the upper levels. And Frogger.

Battletoads and Ninja Gaiden for the NES are probably the hardest games I've played overall. They were more matters of timing and reflex skill than anything else, and utterly abused it. Meta Fight (Blaster Master) is also tough starting around level 5 (or was it 4? It was the water level where moving the Sophia-Noras was near impossible).
On the RPG front, Breath of Fire 2 wins, if only for that damned Highfort mission where you have to play with only Sten (and the level is still hard even after you recover your other party members). I'd say that even fighting FFX's Penance is easier than that area.

Any Metal Slug game -- If you can get to level 3 or any given MS game(except 2) without dying, you are a shooting GOD. In the later levels, you die pretty much once per area.

Bangai-O(Dreamcast) -- Not only is this game pretty nasty on it's own, it encourages you to kill yourself. Your mecha's smart bomb attack actually gets bigger the more shots that are about to hit you. You find yourself flying right into a mass of enemy fire just to try getting that massive 400X Macross Missile(/Laser) Massacre that can clear an entire area in one shot.

Phantasy Star Online, Hard/Very Hard/Ultimate levels -- The Normal Mode is pretty tame, then you move on to Hard Mode, and the monsters are damn near ten times as tough as the were the first time around! I just beat Vol Opt(3rd Boss), and if I'm not careful, I can still get my ass kicked by the Boomas in level 1!

It is?... hmm, I suppose it was a bit hard the first time through. Its all in getting the drop on the buggers, or leading them around where you can pick them off one at a time

The whole deal with SS2 is the psychological warfare. Tell me you didn't flip out the first time that Hybrid at Med/Sci charged you, screaming "I... See.. You! Your song is not... KILL ME! please, Kill me...."

Damned if I didn't start flailing wildly with my wrench, ran away, got spotted by a security camera, and ended up swarmed and slain. First time around, that game blew me away. And there are a lot of tough parts- The Hydroponics deck, with the Cyborg Midwives (Motto- "I'll rip out your spine!") and all the eggs... The rumbler in the bastketball court... I died a lot first time through SS2.

Castlevania. NES. Impossible.

After almost 15 years I've gotten past the Grim Reaper ONCE. And even after that, Dracula killed me for the better part of an hour.

*shudders*

Egad, Castlevania was a hard one. To beat it, I had to get it in ROM form and play it in a an emulator where you could save at will- when fighting the Reaper, I would hit him and then save my game, die, reload hit him again, save... gah, that was a tough game!

Kelly Antilles wrote:

The Dark wrote: Burgertime. The least known NES game of all time. I've gotten to level 3 out of 10 twice in 14 years of playing the game. It's that hard.

You do know that Burgertime was a standup before NES was even thought of. And what a great game too.

I remember playing the arcade version. Burgertime rocked! I had a version on my Texas Instruments TI-88/4A. I think I have a C-64 ROM version too. Hehe, is was fun to salt/pepper? the fried egg.

Older RPGs are extremnly hard by modern standards.
Especially Wiz4.

Pfft Wizardry 4...now Bard's Tale 2...there's a kicker(mostly of time...the puzzles themselves were just nutty because they asked the solution in the msot obscure way possible).

Some old shotters have some nastiess(Einhander is hard mostly because of how they decided to balance the game)

Ikaruga so far gets my vote for newest nasty hellish thing.

WA3 isn't bad(beating though the Final boss is a long sit down, and the uber hiddne boss takes a chunk of time).

Of nasty thing...I dunno...old style shooters like Gradius (ah slowdown)

JediNeophyte wrote: My friend was an Abrams commander and his platoon was engaging some Soviet infantry, for some reason the commies shot at the tanks with their AKs. When my friend was done mopping them up, he ordered the tank to fire at an incoming T72, but nothing happened. He went to first-person view and looked down, and his gunner was there, dead.

ROTFLMAO! Is that even physically possible in real life? The game's evil, I tell ya.

The original NES "Castlevania" gets my vote every day of the week and twice on the Lord's Day. When you combine abominable game play (Simon has all the maneuverability of a pig on stilts), wicked hard bosses (the Grim Reaper can still reduce me to tearful profanity) and absolutely no save or password feature, you have a virtual Matterhorn of a video game.

Castlevania though was decent memorization one(just needed to know where food was and which Sub-weapn to which boss...except the last...GR is a wuss if you know his pattern)

The latest Contra on the PS2...now there a beastie(tamable...and the ending blow huge chunks...but tamable)

Thirdfain wrote:System Shock 2- It's devilishly hard. Even the slow moving hybrids, who are creepy as hell, (as they charge you, they beg you to kill them. It's really wierd.) can kill you in about a five seconds. Hybrids are the weakest enemies, too- Gah, that game is insane.

I found the end of SS2 to be very hard because I was missing some critical PSI skills since I chose Marine for my characters path. I had to reload from a save point and instead of improving combat skills, add some psi skills to finish the game.

I played that game as a demo and liked it so much, I went out and bought it the same day.

AoK or AoM on moderate to hard. Ever tried to beat off 20+ waves of Huskarls or rams? It is VERY hard!!!! I cheat instead. Try to fight my Paladins/Minotaurs, sucka!!!

X-Com II

Aliens have perfect LOS regaudless of vision conditions, any single hit will kill you, even if your wearing armour. Really bad watching an elite squad with high MCR getting wasted like a bunch of amatures.