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Wild Karrde wrote:I can't remember if this is true or not but didn't the IR have a SSD at it's disposal?

Yup, and I think it was a new one they built too.

Chris OFarrell wrote:Once again. This is NOT the Empire. This is the Imperial Remaint. They have a single major shipyard which can't keep up with the demand for fighters, let alone capital ships. They lack the resources to build a massive fleet or the money to do so. The IR went into recession when the peace treaty with teh NR was signed. Now that their economy was open to competition from the NR and not protected.

I I find that hard to believe anymore, they could have increased their infra-structure during all those years really, using the same automated droid factories the NR was using to pump up it's fleet, droids don't require wages and resources and so plentifull in space they're not really a problem.
I see no problems in the Empire having used this method to build several smaller ship yards to build fighters and smaller ships whilst Yaga Minor could focus on more ships, IIRC they did say Yaga minor was producing capital ships in Force Heretic I, and IIRC it was really huge, a sort of web larger than the local moon.

His Divine Shadow wrote:

Chris OFarrell wrote:Once again. This is NOT the Empire. This is the Imperial Remaint. They have a single major shipyard which can't keep up with the demand for fighters, let alone capital ships. They lack the resources to build a massive fleet or the money to do so. The IR went into recession when the peace treaty with teh NR was signed. Now that their economy was open to competition from the NR and not protected.

I I find that hard to believe anymore, they could have increased their infra-structure during all those years really, using the same automated droid factories the NR was using to pump up it's fleet, droids don't require wages and resources and so plentifull in space they're not really a problem.
I see no problems in the Empire having used this method to build several smaller ship yards to build fighters and smaller ships whilst Yaga Minor could focus on more ships, IIRC they did say Yaga minor was producing capital ships in Force Heretic I, and IIRC it was really huge, a sort of web larger than the local moon.

Won't using droid factories increase the infrastructure needed?

PainRack wrote:Won't using droid factories increase the infrastructure needed?

Err.... why?
They build themselves, and factories, if they can utilize the abundant resources(which can be done by using the kind of resource droids seen in Darksaber), they can do it completely without any help from anyone else and as such place no strain on the IR.

His Divine Shadow wrote:

Chris OFarrell wrote:Once again. This is NOT the Empire. This is the Imperial Remaint. They have a single major shipyard which can't keep up with the demand for fighters, let alone capital ships. They lack the resources to build a massive fleet or the money to do so. The IR went into recession when the peace treaty with teh NR was signed. Now that their economy was open to competition from the NR and not protected.

I I find that hard to believe anymore, they could have increased their infra-structure during all those years really, using the same automated droid factories the NR was using to pump up it's fleet, droids don't require wages and resources and so plentifull in space they're not really a problem.

Resources are hardly that abundent. One of the major factors of the IR was IIRC that it was stuck on the fringe of the Galaxy where resources were very low. The specific materials for ship construction were very scarce. Droids can't turn dirt into durasteal. And of course you still need the resources the droids need to reproduce themselves. If it was THAT easy to produce that kind of infastructure, why the hell didn't the rebels find some out of the way systems, drop off a few droids, then turn back up in five years and pick up the Mon cal squadrons waiting for them? Indeed the very fact that the Empire has NOT done this speaks either that:

1. This droid tech is still brand new and/or limited to the NR.
2. The IR lacks the resources to use this technology.
3. The IR lacks the resources to embark on a large scale ship production effort.

Given that the IR could not produce Capital ships in anything like the demand rate (or the fighters indeed), it stands to reason a simple lack of the necessary resources is the reason they can't do so.

I see no problems in the Empire having used this method to build several smaller ship yards to build fighters and smaller ships whilst Yaga Minor could focus on more ships, IIRC they did say Yaga minor was producing capital ships in Force Heretic I, and IIRC it was really huge, a sort of web larger than the local moon.

I forsee many. Mostly the fact that they have not done so points to a lack of an ability TO do so.

The shipping lanes out to the IR probably have been hadly hurt as well - logistics must be a nightmare for the Imperials trying to get raw material from the rest of the galaxy. With the Galactic Alliance probably sucking up huge amounts of the available war material, it's suprising the IR is getting even enough for their shipbuilding programme.

I can settle the rank think of Pellaeon once and for all. I started reading the NJO last wee ans i started Dark Tide 2 Ruin today. When Leia went to Bastion to ask Pellaeon for help he turned up to the meeting wearing the white uniform of a Grand Admiral.

Warlord Zsinj wore a Grand Admiral's uniform too. The uniform itself means nothing.

Yeah but Warlord Zsinj was a renegade from the Empire, Pellaeon was still an official part of the Empire. His Grand Admirals title was ligitimate.

Lord Pounder wrote:Yeah but Warlord Zsinj was a renegade from the Empire, Pellaeon was still an official part of the Empire. His Grand Admirals title was ligitimate.

Grand Admiral, OTOH, was a rank given exclusively by the Emperor, not by any other part of the chain of command. Pellaeon should be a High Admiral.

phongn wrote:

Lord Pounder wrote:Yeah but Warlord Zsinj was a renegade from the Empire, Pellaeon was still an official part of the Empire. His Grand Admirals title was ligitimate.

Grand Admiral, OTOH, was a rank given exclusively by the Emperor, not by any other part of the chain of command. Pellaeon should be a High Admiral.

Well, I think that after the Emperor being permanently dead for over a decade, things would change.

For example, if all the admins on this board died all of a sudden, then the supermods, or at least one of them, would probably be promoted to admin level. Otherwise, noone could ban users and do the highest-level things essential to the board functioning properly.

YT300000 wrote:

phongn wrote:

Lord Pounder wrote:Yeah but Warlord Zsinj was a renegade from the Empire, Pellaeon was still an official part of the Empire. His Grand Admirals title was ligitimate.

Grand Admiral, OTOH, was a rank given exclusively by the Emperor, not by any other part of the chain of command. Pellaeon should be a High Admiral.

Well, I think that after the Emperor being permanently dead for over a decade, things would change.

For example, if all the admins on this board died all of a sudden, then the supermods, or at least one of them, would probably be promoted to admin level. Otherwise, noone could ban users and do the highest-level things essential to the board functioning properly.

But who would promote the supermod to admin status? AFAIK, only admins can promote others to admin status.

StimNeuro wrote:But who would promote the supermod to admin status? AFAIK, only admins can promote others to admin status.

Well, they would have over a decade to change the rules and hack into the system. By then, they probably would be able to make themselves admins.

Addressing some points here:

If it was THAT easy to produce that kind of infastructure, why the hell didn't the rebels find some out of the way systems, drop off a few droids, then turn back up in five years and pick up the Mon cal squadrons waiting for them?

The technology for this exists in official material, in Darksaber we have automated droids that gather resources, the Hutts got enough resources from the Hoth asteroid belt to build the Darksaber.
If the IR who controll alot more than they did then they have to have some helluva demand somewhere else of rather staggering scope if they can't match that.
Besides, even the New Republic's efforts took YEARS.

Given that the IR could not produce Capital ships in anything like the demand rate (or the fighters indeed), it stands to reason a simple lack of the necessary resources is the reason they can't do so.

Hardly anyone can keep up with demand in a war.
And the operative word is "could" here, we don't know what their status is now, I for one thinks they're better off than they where several years given that they have had relatively little combat in all those years.
I find it absurd that the Imperial Remnant is so crippled that they couldn't even marginally rebuild some ship-building capacity after all these years.

I forsee many. Mostly the fact that they have not done so points to a lack of an ability TO do so.

It hasn't said wheter they have or have not done it, or that much regardign what shape the IR is in compared to how they where in VoTF.
You seem to think they have been utterly and totally stagnant in regards to infra-structure and industrial ability, I am saying they could have used the same process the republic used to improve somewhat, or any other process if you wish, you are also treating it in a black and white way, as if it's either they didn't or they are spewing thousands of ISD's out of their asses.
I am saying they likely have improved their industrial base, I think anything else is absurd given many years of peace, it doesn't mean they can keep up with demand or even remotely near it.

phongn wrote:

Publius wrote:

phongn wrote:It looks like they were spread thinly around the Remnant in an attempt to protect everywhere and nowhere at once.

There is a story that the Emperor Napoléon once commanded one of his marshals to draw up a plan to defend France from invasion. The marshal returned with a plan calling for the French armies to be deployed evenly along the border, and the Emperor derisively asked if he intended to protect France from smugglers.

I was indeed alluding to that

Great minds think alike, no?

Publius wrote:Great minds think alike, no?

Great minds think for themselves.

YT300000 wrote:

Publius wrote:Great minds think alike, no?

Great minds think for themselves.

Do you mean to suggest that no two independent intellects can arrive at like conclusions, and still be great? Was Daniel Webster less formidable an intellect because he often agreed with Joseph Story? Was Dr. Webster's mind less brilliant because it often agreed with Alexander Hamilton's?

Publius

Publius wrote:

YT300000 wrote:

Publius wrote:Great minds think alike, no?

Great minds think for themselves.

Do you mean to suggest that no two independent intellects can arrive at like conclusions, and still be great? Was Daniel Webster less formidable an intellect because he often agreed with Joseph Story? Was Dr. Webster's mind less brilliant because it often agreed with Alexander Hamilton's?

Publius

Great minds can think in similar ways, or even arrive at identical conclusions, but never exactly alike.

Example: Henri Poincare created a far less complex and in-depth theory of relativity than Einstein did, a year earlier. He started with chaos theory, and progressed. Whereas Einstein took a very different path to finding the answer.